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Referendum pt 2

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VoteNONO · 08/03/2024 23:58

Started another thread as the first one was full.

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DeanElderberry · 15/03/2024 16:48

O'Gorman is a piece of work. At least now that he's out of the country someone is managing to get those unfortunate men out of Mount Street and into a place where at least they'll have access to sanitation.

StephanieSuperpowers · 15/03/2024 17:15

It's a disgrace. Those poor men. It seems like if their plight hadn't been featured on Morning Ireland most mornings this week, nothing would have been done. Thank goodness for the volunteers who were trying to help and raising awareness.

QuiZZ · 15/03/2024 20:47

What happened to the tent men while Rodders was MIA?

DeanElderberry · 15/03/2024 21:06

They're being moved to Dundrum, where they'll still be in tents but will have access to loos / sanitation and medical support.

According the radio news - I don't see anything on the RTE website.

miri1985 · 16/03/2024 03:59

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0316/1438220-national-womens-council/

"Responding to further queries, the NWCI said it had spent €50,000 on the referendums but said the final figure will not be available until the organisation receives the final invoices.
The spokesperson said: "We used our Unrestricted Funding (which is not public funds) and a small amount of donations on this campaign."

NWCI says it spent around €50,000 on Yes campaigns

The National Women's Council of Ireland spent around €50,000 campaigning for Yes votes in last week's referendums on Family and Care which were rejected by voters.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0316/1438220-national-womens-council

VaddaABeetch · 16/03/2024 07:58

NWCI spent a lot more than 50k.

have they factored in the salary costs too?

VaddaABeetch · 16/03/2024 07:59

What’s this they won’t know how much until they get invoices. Do they spend money & worry about the cost later? Who operates like that?

Cailleach1 · 16/03/2024 08:07

Hope they were working in their free time, in a place with facilities and all materials etc. not paid for with the public purse.

DublinFemale · 16/03/2024 09:46

As an NGO they receive public funding.

The won't go bust for over spending on this, it ROG pet project.

festivefavorites · 17/04/2024 22:13

https://twitter.com/davidjthunder/status/1780604529370653047?t=LskZUsucheGnjvTX8Ptggg&s=19
Reading this makes me wonder why they went ahead with the Referendum. They were warned of the potential consequences but ploughed on anyway. They are the same with the Hate Speech laws. They have been warned of the consequences but have refused to acknowledge that they might have got it wrong. The arrogance is astounding.

https://twitter.com/davidjthunder/status/1780604529370653047?s=19&t=LskZUsucheGnjvTX8Ptggg

miri1985 · 06/06/2024 11:52

The Gript FOI seemed to get no coverage in any other paper but now the IT has done the same FOI I'm sure it will be spread far and wide. I don't know how O'Gorman can claim that it wasn't applicable because the advice was on the old wording which wasn't significantly different and also went ahead without consulting the Dept of Justice about the new wording. Hes a liability

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/06/06/referendums-risked-legal-uncertainty-for-migration-rules-officials-warned/

https://archive.ph/Os0CY

Referendums risked ‘legal uncertainty’ for migration rules, officials warned before O’Gorman’s reassurances

Government repeatedly claimed referendums had no immigration implications

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/06/06/referendums-risked-legal-uncertainty-for-migration-rules-officials-warned

festivefavorites · 06/06/2024 20:04

miri1985 · 06/06/2024 11:52

The Gript FOI seemed to get no coverage in any other paper but now the IT has done the same FOI I'm sure it will be spread far and wide. I don't know how O'Gorman can claim that it wasn't applicable because the advice was on the old wording which wasn't significantly different and also went ahead without consulting the Dept of Justice about the new wording. Hes a liability

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/06/06/referendums-risked-legal-uncertainty-for-migration-rules-officials-warned/

https://archive.ph/Os0CY

It's beyond belief that he has gotten away with this. FF and FG are so terrified of collapsing the government it seems as if they will turn a blind eye to anything to stay in power. What I don't understand is why all the other parties aren't shouting about this?

deeahgwitch · 06/06/2024 20:43

@festivefavorites you write "... FF and FG are so terrified of collapsing the government it seems as if they will turn a blind eye to anything to stay in power......."

It was ever thus, sadly.

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 06/06/2024 22:17

festivefavorites · 06/06/2024 20:04

It's beyond belief that he has gotten away with this. FF and FG are so terrified of collapsing the government it seems as if they will turn a blind eye to anything to stay in power. What I don't understand is why all the other parties aren't shouting about this?

I think the other parties are keeping their heads down about this because they also supported the Referendum, despite all indications being it was a disaster.
So they don't want to admit they were wrong either.

It's infuriating and so disappointing that we have no proper opposition, and therefore the fuck ups just keep happening without consequence. Roll on the General Election.

festivefavorites · 14/09/2024 07:50

"I am glad to see that the IT have pursued this."

Though there might be merit in this tweet on X. General election season.

https://x.com/NeitherExtreme/status/1834843604759597100?t=bA5Ib5McMyxMzrsk7rfBVQ&s=19

miri1985 · 12/11/2024 20:12

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/11/12/mother-and-profoundly-disabled-son-lose-supreme-court-appeal-over-means-tested-carers-allowance/

https://archive.ph/VoAZj

Article 41.2, whose potential effects were widely debated in the run-up to the referendum, says the State shall “endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home”.
Giving the court’s main judgment, Mr Justice Maurice Collins said the article imposes an “imperfect obligation” on the State and “simply does not provide a justiciable standard” sufficient to grant any legally enforceable right to State support.
He said the article’s effect is “simply to require the State [...] in its policies and laws to seek to support the right of mothers, as a class, not to be obliged to work outside the home”.
“It does not commit the State to the provision of any particular form or level of support or giving individual mothers any legally enforceable right to support from the State,” he said.
In any event, he said, the woman in this appeal was not obliged “by economic necessity” to work outside the home.
The mother effectively provides 24-hour care at home to her adult son who has significant developmental disabilities, hyperactivity and serious behavioural issues. His chronic sleep difficulties mean he requires care during the night.

The woman, who has no means of her own, was assessed in 2021 as entitled to €134 weekly, rather than the full allowance of €219, because her partner, the father of her son, earns €848 weekly.

In a judgment on Tuesday, the Supreme Court held that the High Court’s Ms Justice Niamh Hyland was correct to conclude that the reference to “may” in section 186(2) is “truly permissive and confers a power on the Minister rather than imposing a duty”.
He was unpersuaded by the contention that the carer’s allowance scheme is “under-inclusive”.
Mr Justice Collins noted the judgment resolves the legal challenge to the carer’s allowance regime but “does not of course foreclose public debate on whether that regime requires reform”. Nor does it preclude the Government from taking steps it considers appropriate to address the issues raised in this case, he said.

The court said article 41.2 of the Constitution, which remains intact after the electorate resoundly rejected the care referendum last March, ultimately had “no bearing” on the proceedings. Photograph: Bryan O'Brien

Mother and profoundly disabled son lose Supreme Court appeal over means-tested carer’s allowance

Constitutional reference to woman’s role in the home does not grant legally enforceable right to State support, court finds

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2024/11/12/mother-and-profoundly-disabled-son-lose-supreme-court-appeal-over-means-tested-carers-allowance

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