Referendum pt 2

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Started another thread as the first one was full.

The way the politicans are trying to spin the ditch printing the document is as if they scaled Leinster house and stole it. No someone felt strongly enough to leak it. Mary Butler's comments sound very much like shes talking to Joe https://www.thejournal.ie/attorney-general-advice-referendum-leak-scandalous-mary-butler-6323037-Mar2024/

McDowell thinks that the government leaked it themselves because of the amount of people who had changed from yes/yes to yes/no but I don't really think they're savvy enough to do it especially when they thought they had at least the family referendum in the bag https://gript.ie/government-leaking-of-ag-advice-was-a-stunt-that-backfired-mcdowell/

I have heard twice it twice it was a back fired stunt, I really am not sure.

Did that go to all tds, or just government?

I honestly think someone leaked this who secretly always planned to say no.

The message from government is we take responsibility but but but .....

@festivefavorites

Ah but that would entail thinking of other countries and doing some due diligence.

Let's be honest here LV doesn't do anything that isn't in best interest of LV.

I have say they really didn't think the word mother removal from the constitution thing through.

It is extremely demeaning all mothers including their own.

LV & ROG are fully up paid members of the misogyny club.

I didn't catch the name (the radio was still on when I came back from doing the school run so I caught the middle of the interview), but there was a woman on morning Ireland talking about how people would have voted for the proposals if they'd been explained properly.

My ample arse would they.

I think I said a few weeks ago about my Dad saying something like "they're all against the women now, I don't know why" when we were talking about that amendment and I wonder if getting rid of the word "mother" in the context of how they're going crazy to make every reference to women just a grab bag of offal from the butchers is something people didn't want.

We are deeply sorry we didn't explain all this clearly and simply enough. We had quite forgotten the Irish people are mostly bog monsters who do whatever the church tells them. You just don't meet people like that in Dalkey.

Well, yes and no.
I didn't catch that interview, but part of the problem with the family proposal was that it wasn't understood.

That wasn't because the public was too 'stupid' to understand it, far from it.

It was because there was no legal definition given for 'durable relationship' so it couldn't be understood. If by 'explaining it properly ' she meant giving that missing legal definition she could have a point.

But I suspect that's not what she meant?

Sadly, very close to half the people in Dalkey are just as awful as the rest of us on this progressforsaken rock.

It was because there wasno legal definition given for 'durable relationship' so itcouldn'tbe understood. If by 'explaining it properly ' she meant giving that missing legal definition she could have a point.

But I suspect that's not what she meant?

Oh dear me, no. Durable relationships, it seems, are very explicable if you explain it properly which they failed to do. From what I gather, she thinks that the objections from McDowell were poisoning the well of this very understandable and limited concept which would have been very conservatively considered by the supreme court, so no worries, mate.

freemovement.org.uk/who-qualifies-as-a-durable-partner-under-the-eu-settlement-scheme/

Yes I know it is UK but it does have a definition of durable relationship within EU and it reads to me as the relationship of consenting adults.

Durable relationship is of no value to the whole parent and child, having a durable relationship will not suddenly make a parent and child be a family, that's not the EU definition

@DublinFemale I think the same, was a leaked inside job because maybe at least one member of the coalition govt is a critical thinker with some common sense.

Michael Martin is pathetic this morning jumping on Cillian Murphy's Oscar bandwagon as if the weekend never happened 😂

We may have voted for the proposals if they'd been written properly.

Did Cillian win?

Happy days, he is a phenomenal actor, doesn't get the credit he deserves

He did! He really is a great actor & appears to a genuine, grounded man. Great for the country on the back of the weekend!

Not to derail but ....at least the UK media can't call Cillian the ' greatest British actor of his generation' . Because they already awarded that title to Michael Fassbender 😂

But yeah Micheál will be amping up the Cork connection...moving swiftly along from Referendum wreckage.

Oh dear me, no. Durable relationships, it seems, are very explicable if you explain it properly which they failed to do. From what I gather, she thinks that the objections from McDowell were poisoning the well of this very understandable and limited concept which would have been very conservatively considered by the supreme court, so no worries, mate.

So she thinks a former Attorney General wasn't clued in to the possible legal ramifications of the proposal?

Right.

Delighted for Cillian!😁

@Abhannmor he is🤣 a gleeful Mícheál was on tv at 8am this morning! Cillian's Oscar win couldn't have come at a better time for Micheál & the msm.

Article

Yeah I know it's daily fail, but it is worth a browse.

Sorry uploaded them the wrong order

Interesting. I wonder will he get a vote of no confidence, I'd say Simon Covney would be next in line?

He won't get a no confidence, not with MM and ER clinging on to power for dear life.

The council and EU election will be interesting and also the next referendum, if they struggled to explain failing, durable relationship and care to the electorate then what hope have with EU law, patents, and Irish law.

Also they have spent much of their tenure blaming the EU on bad government decisions. They might just get another kicking if people think more power to EU, hell no.

Doing badly there could be the catalyst to encourage him to jump rather be pushed.

Interesting times ahead for sure. I have no idea what these patents are in the next referendum.