Referendum pt 2

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Started another thread as the first one was full.

No either do I .

But I know this much I won't be relying on anybody in government to inform me

Same here😂 Again whatever they it could just be an anti government two fingers vote again especially as it's very close the last week's one.
They don't have much time to regroup & redeem themselves!

This. I may have voted in favour of the proposals if they had been worded properly.

https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/2024/january/referendum-on-patent-court-is-set-for-june

Googled patents, came up with this. Makes no sense.

Just to add my poor mum thought we'd be voting on parents not patents 🙈

Easy mistake to make. The govemmet better make it crystal clear to avoid that one especially after trying to remove mother from the constitution 🤣

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Parents and patents 😄

Patents seems a weird one for a Referendum? Not exactly a matter of conscience is it. Or a weighty matter of state like a vote on a United Ireland for example. Enough already!

I think we can’t cede Irish jurisdiction to a European court without changing the constitution.

Do you know what was a great experience from the results? I had become accustomed to feeling out of step with the people around me, and cautious about what they would think if I was open about what I think. However, it transpires that the vast majority of people think like me, if not in all details, there's a similarity. It's not me who's out of step.

Also, I'm glad that we had a nationwide discussion about the meaning of care, of motherhood, of women's work and the concept of women in the home moving from the 1937 concept but still having a distinct value today which maybe does merit appreciation.

Any constitutional change requires a referendum, so if they want to bring our patent law under the jurisdiction of a European court, we must vote on it. I've only given it a quick look over but from what I have read, I'm going with a No vote at this stage. I'm not a 'vote no to piss off the government' type, if I conclude it's a good change I'll vote for it. But from what I have read so far, I think it's not a great idea.

It's also worth remembering that ahead of this week, the plan was to have a vote in the near future on assisted dying. That is something that needs a lot of reading up on. Until recently I was very much in favour of assisted dying. Because I assumed there would be enormous checks and balances and it would be a rare occurrence. What I've become aware of with MAID in Canada worries me. I'm far from an expert on it and I'm sure there's a possibility that there is hyperbole on all sides. But I'm now much more wary and would need to be extremely confident that any introduction of assisted dying would be water-tight against abuse.

@StephanieSuperpowers I feel the same. I think it may be the beginning of the end for "no debate" & "cancel" culture.
Critical thinking & common sense have to win out.

I hope the government realise how out of touch with reality they had become & how out of step with the general public.

Lots of lessons to be learned on their side but unfortunately they immediately pointed the finger back at the electorate accusing us fools of not understanding what was asked of us🙄

I think there is a lot of us who feel silenced.

There does not appear to be willingness to hear opposite views.

Hence people bury them and they appear at the most inopportune moments for government

Oops, ah well, would a cup of tea help LV and Co feel better.

I was at a thing this morning where a mixed group of woman aged 50ish to 80ish sit together in a rural community hall for a few hours and knit or sew or crochet as they choose, and drink tea, and chat. And they were not happy at the suggestion that their 'no' votes were protest votes. Or that they were confused, or that they didn't understand. They were particularly incensed at the timing on IWD and just before Mother's day, but triumphant on behalf of Irish mammies and women generally.

It wasn't discussed last week, but it was very clear today we were all of one mind.

Clearly the far-right is coming armed with wool and needles.

I do feel that it was the erasure of the word mother that incensed a lot the voters.

They couldn't have picked a worse weekend, Mother's Day weekend.

Did they hope internally to lose hence the timing?

And now are off on their jaunts all around the world and then Easter break, they're only sitting for 2 more days this month, so 5 days in total was all they sat during March.

By the time they get back to work, the referendum will all be forgotten by a new scandal and then it will be locals/Europeans, the new referendum and summer break.

I don't expect any critical reflection on what the public actually want or why we rejected these referendums.

When you look at how little time they're actually sitting, to give 6 weeks to the referendum commission for another vote in June, they will have to race through pre legislative for the patent referendum too at the start of April.

I had that feeling so much whenever the opinion polls on these refs were coming out, I really had a disconnect with what I was thinking and hearing and what the polls were saying

I wasn't polled, but I probably would have said that I'd vote yes if I had been - mainly for the avoidance of hassle and maybe to avoid having to deal with the inevitable contempt.

Just proving out points above... It's business as usual for FG & Simon Covney is "unconcerned about electoral backlash"..

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41349931.html

It must be those wide aWOKE US multinationals that are advising the Government on how to be progressive. Follow the money.😊

I think the government & NGOs are going to get hit with "Go Woke Go Broke" while their still snoozing thinking they have the country captured with their woke values & beliefs.

Imagine if yes had won, Roderic O Gorman would have loved to have tweeted "Happy birthing persons day" just to really stick the knife in.

Did any of the government tweet for Mothers Day?
The Nationals Women's Council of Ireland certainly didn't, isn't that telling in itself.

I read something about Assisted Dying this morning, but didn't look like it was going to put to a vote.. I'll see if I can find the article.
After 2015, I am far too wary of unintended consequences with anything official Ireland does.

NWC appear to be doubling down. They’ll continue to fight for women’s rights. The sheer neck of them. They need to go.

Just had a quick check. No "Happy Mothers Day" tweets or social messages yesterday from Varadkar, O Gorman or Mícheál Martin.
Obviously very pissed off the little women in Ireland didn't go out & do as we were told..

Mary Lou had a post up to her mum, Éamon Ryan had nowt.