Referendum pt 2

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Started another thread as the first one was full.

As opposed to "opposition" Sinn Féin who didnt agree with the wording but still chose the endorse yes/yes?!
Really stupid, bizarre move from SF, the exit polls this morning show SF had the highest percentage of voters in both acts despite their SF & Mary Lou advocating yes/yes.

Aontú stood their ground & didn't bow to any virtue signalling whatsoever. Opposition in the truest sense of the word. Ireland needs a proper, conservative right wing opposition party. I hope Aontú hits the ground running after this & Maria Steen joins the party!

If you are supporting Gript, with its utter bedrock of misinformation (just look at the shocking way it manipulated the situation around the stabbing in Parnell Sq), you need to take a hard look at your belief system.

I may agree with positions they've taken but without doubt they are feeding a really dangerous, malign, far-right movement here.

You could really do with some fact-checking about 'MSM & funding' 🙄 a quick Google would do it.

They have a very obvious bias to the government who sponsor them.

Seriously?

The Government don't 'sponsor' RTE; I listen to RTE a huge amount of the day; almost always catching Morning Ireland, lunchtime news & Drivetime.

They interrogate & question all positions & there are excellent journalists doing this; they've continued to hold their own organisation to account in the last 8 or so months since the scandal broke.

Honestly, your disregard for facts is worrying.

The debate on RTE with Michael Martin & Maria Steen was entirely biased. Maria was interrupted numerous times mid sentence in favour of Martin. It made no difference ultimately as Maria made mincemeat of him

Of course it wasn't.

She got exactly the same time as him.

I happened to agree with Maria Steen on this occasion but I'd have very little in common with her other right-wing views.

Some fact checking there for you @EarringsandLipstick an extra 56 million from the government in additional funding. Proving my point that RTE is state sponsored censorship 😁

Opposition in the truest sense of the word

No, it's not.

Opposition isn't just about taking a position & speaking to it. It's about having a coherent, funded approach to public service & governance.

Aontú 'oppose' in that they are against the Government but (much like SF) are unable to propose a credible, sustainable alternative.

Of course Toibin can oppose all day long. He won't ever have to deliver on anything.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/1114/1416354-rte/

And again @EarringsandLipstick from the horses mouth so to speak😁 RTE rely very heavily on government funding & investment!

What?

What does that prove? Of course RTE is funded, we all know that. And is badly in need of a more sustainable funding model.

Are you really saying that their journalists are biased? Because of this?

They call the Government to account & do so fairly.

There are topics (like GC issues) that are not covered in the way I'd wish on RTE (and elsewhere) but the idea because they receive Government funding they are biased is laughable. Do you do any research? I mean, do you think the Electoral Commission is biased? Or the research emanating from universities? I mean, these are all funded by the Government too.

Yes, yes they do.

I really hesitate to be critical of your comprehension skills but you do know that many services are funded by the State - our health system, education system, public works ... would you say that means they are all biased in their decision-making too? 🤷🏻‍♀️

You said above they don't! RTE are not neuteral as they get millions in government funding. Look at the scandal RTE tried is conceal. They are very reliant on the government & toe the line completely. My opinion & I won't be swayed! RTE is state sponsored propoganda & censorship.

@EarringsandLipstick I'm leaving it right here with you now. My comprehension skills are perfectly fine. You said RTE are not sponsored by the government, I disagree. I linked articles to the millions they are getting in additional funding.
Now I'm not going to interact with you any further so please stop quoting & tagging me. We can surely agree to disagree on Mothers Day.

Sorry this is batshit crazy. I feel sorry you are so misinformed & too disinterested to do basic research to realise you are wrong.

As with many services, (I have given the Electoral Commission as an example - you know, the people who informed the public about the referendum, answered questions of fact and so on), RTE receives funding.

Like with our education system, health service, and third level research, it doesn't compromise the integrity & independence of their output, which is their journalism.

I really worry about people like you.

You said RTE are not sponsored by the government,
They aren't.

They receive government funding. I work at a university. I am paid by the State and my research often funded by them.

I don't lack independence and my work is not 'sponsored' or controlled by the Government.

Your conspiracy-style rantings are very worrying.

We can surely agree to disagree on Mothers Day.

I'm certainly going to leave it - and hope others on the thread can see instead how misinformed you are.

But nope, I can't 'agree to disagree' with your flatly incorrect points, your wilful refusal to so basic fact-checking & your conspiracy-theory approaches.

She'll be walking through Dublin surrounded by Gardai telling us plebs citizens that the streets are safe !

She has been very quiet! I couldn't spot her at all yesterday in any of the media clips. She was very weak on the Tonight Show vs Peadar Toibín!
She hasn't tweeted since Friday & hasn't yet acknowledged the governments humiliating loss😁

I hear ya @festivefavorites

A Journal article link is a complete no from me.

Until MSM start paying attention to their audience and not the minorities who seem to have enormous influence.

People will keep moving away to find the places who while actually hard the questions the public want to hear.

We have all have our preferences and reasons.

Journal is an absolute no, Gript has me digging deeper to find the story behind the story including the leanings of the reporters. I can then make up my mind not the mind the government wants me to have

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Well thats me finished with the irish examiner.. The responses are worth reading on x. Oh we all didint have a clue what we were voting for yadda yadda. Well I did , and everyone I know did .The govt seems to want to dismantle genders / dismantle ireland socially/ destroy our towns and villages. They care more about new arrivals( nothing against them just stating the optics ) than their own citizens there is a lot of anger out there. Fgs the state of our hospitals/ schools/ roads. Come on focus on whats important day to day. We are over taxed / over regulated . So many ngos and billions wasted and still they push ahead with a referendum no one wanted or asked for. Just LV making ireland more "progressive' FU . Misinfornation peddled from our own Govt.. You know we all know the emperor is naked. Taking the electorate for culchies and fools. Good on mayo 75% no. Good on Dublin central overwhelming no. Mary lou can go away with her WEF badge. Traitor she was called yestetday.
Love Michael McD for this. Anyone catch the lovely wheelchair bound woman for equality and care on tv outside Dublin Castle calling out fsmily carers ireland politely for their yes campaign? . Good on her !! Couldnt be prouder of the irish electorate

Well Newstalk , Virgin and Sky are not sponsored by foreign multinational corporations. They are totally owned by them.

St Augustine said the bible can only be understood ' in the light of reason '. I try to take the same approach with media sources. To use the local vernacular you have to have some 'cop on '. Nice that Ronan Mullen agrees with me about something for once. Or Gript too. But they haven't become an unbiased source of wisdom all of a sudden.

I don't have an issue with rte funding per se. I have a problem with how enmeshed most of the media, ngos and civil service/politics are with each other. I don't think there's deliberate pushing of an agenda, I just don't think they realise that different opinions exist because they don't mix in those circles.

They do a moderately poor job in these instances for that reason. They call the Iona institute because they don't understand that not all objections are religious, for example.

To be fair here, yeah, RTE occasionally does some fine journalism but overall they do tend to set an obsequious tone when dealing with the government in a way that you don't see (or at least didn't) see on British news channels. I remember seeing Brian Cowen go nearly apoplectic when being interviewed by Jeremy Paxman because he was soooo far out of his comfort zone being interviewed by someone who would not let him get away with sticking to a script that didn't answer Paxman's questions. RTE journalists rarely show any doggedness when dealing with government politicians, when their questions aren't properly answered they occasionally try asking again, but quite quickly move on when that doesn't work. It's incredibly frustrating. Whereas some of them can be very rude and belligerent to the opposition interviewees.

I have a journalism background and the day to day lack of real journalistic work on RTE news can be staggering to watch. Outside of programmes like Prime Time Investigates, which can be fantastic, they favour a polished style to nitty gritty. And it's pretty clear that they are very much in a progressive bubble right now and don't truly understand the actual mood of the country.

What I would like to see is a socially liberal, slightly left of centre party that knows what a woman is 😁

I used to be a Labour voter but Ivana Bacik, who I hugely admired in the past, has ruled them out by forgetting what a woman is. Really disappointing for someone who was a staunch feminist.

Between Ivana Bacik, Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, Bernie Linnane & the rest labour is completely singing of the same hymn sheet as SF & the coalition.

Thank God Mothers day won't become "person who gives birth day". Would love the govt, SF & labour to go back to school & study their biology. Virtue signalling clearly isn't working!

Isn’t it odd that the name shifted from
the ‘woman in the home’ referendum to the ‘care referendum’ when they lost. It’s as if they cannot comprehend that we would vote to retain a reference to mothers in the constitution and that we just rejected the care referendum, because it didn’t go far enough.

And so here come the conspiracy theorists pointing the finger at the "far right"! 😁