Gender Critical in Ireland Part 3

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I’m watching RTE news. They mentioned the Garda representatives organisation are concerned about Gender Identity in the workplace. It’s been brought in without consultation & without training.

the Garda Commissioner has said that Garda may be disciplined for misgendering.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think this is because they are currently afraid of the debate and what it might unearth.
No matter what our liberal elitist government might tell themselves, you will not get that vast majority of Irish citizens to buy into gender identity ideology once they know and understand what that means in practice.

So it all has to be done quietly, and for a few years they got away with that - but there has been a ruffle in the feathers over the last while, and it may not go the way they think.

I'm so grateful for the raging debates happening in the UK over the last while, as much as some might disagree, we are influenced by the UK and many people (me included) only really understood what was happening here by looking to the UK goings on and thinking 'do we really have the same issues here?'.

This is what I mean - I had no idea it was amended. How can they do that without public approval? Why was there no scrutiny of this?

Was sex ever a protected characteristic? Was it changed to gender identity?

Why are there not more Irish journalists screaming about this?

Yes, Sex was replaced with Gender 😐
I'm not sure but there must not be any public consultation needed to amend or indeed to introduce legislation, only to amend the constitution. It's all been done by stealth. I'm not even sure there's a proper definition of gender in law? How can gender be a protected characteristic when we can't really define it?! We've already been told that it's fluid... the whole thing is baffling.

I totally agree about the UK - our laws are often aligned with theirs and we are as exposed to their media almost as much as our own. So although there's very little public debate on the trans issue here, we are able to see and hear what's going on in the UK and that then gives people pause to think. It's a very slow awakening, but it is happening (I hope!!)

There was an amendment to the UK EA as well by the way, but different. They have kept sex as a protected characteristic and added "gender reassignment". And given they don't have self ID in place that affords a little more protection. Also, thanks to the Maya Forstater case, people in the UK are allowed to hold gender critical beliefs and it's not 'transphobic' to believe that biological sex matters. I fear if the proposed hate crime legislation is passed here, we'll have the opposite

I think unfortunately it will get worse before it gets better, and most people aren't even aware that our laws around this are so shoddy.
Not to mention who the fudge do you vote for as all the major parties are so embedded in this shite. Depressing.

Oh I know! WHO do we vote for?? It's going to be a nightmare come election time.

The only (sort of) hope that I have is by the time next year's elections come, politicians will have lots of difficult questions to answer on their doorsteps.

They may then realise that there are lots of us out there unhappy about this and not willing to let it go.

I'm waiting for Leo et al. to get the 'what is a woman?' question (although maybe he got it already and smarmied his way through).

Afaik, Willie O'Dea FF, met with a Countess demonstration in Limerick a few months back and agreed with them on issues re the prison. This was back before the whole Barbie situation was as well known. O'Dea is generally the most popular politician in the country, ie gets the highest amount of votes proportionally, so the man knows what he's doing in terms of staying elected. He's a massive opportunist, so I'm wondering if he went specifically to meet the demonstration and let it be known that he's a bit 'terfy.' Because he knows through talking to people, that it's a good move to stay elected. He's not powerful within the party for such a consistently popular TD but I'd say he has his finger on the pulse in a way that most of the party elite won't.

I hate FF, never saw myself voting for them, but if any of the major parties could start to advocate for a GC position it's probably them.

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill today:

‘Men do not need to dress as women in order to attack them’ - Minister clashes with Senator in gender row

She's fucking useless. She's one of my local TDs, so I emailed her before about gender ideology in schools and got a fobbed off response.

Well she’s lying in that piece. I emailed her about Barbie in prison so people are telling her their concerns. But of course you have to be loudly woke to be in Leo’s gang these days.

Who would have believed 10 years ago that Ronan Mullen would be defending women’s safe spaces in the Dáil and a Fine Gael female minister would be arguing to cede these places to men.

Who ever suggested men needed to dress as women to attack them, Jennifer?
Precisely nobody.
But now men can enter women's spaces.
If you're a man who wants to attack women this just makes things easier for you.

She's spectacularly missing the point isn't she?!

Well exactly, and the laws this government enacted give them every right to do so - in toilets, changing rooms, sports teams, prisons. She knows this and is deflecting badly.
They all seem to have been given a badly written script to read from about this.

Also, what she is saying is technically transphobic from the activists point of view - 'men who dress as women', eh, these men are claiming to be actual women Jennifer, that's the fucking problem - but you knew this already...

Of course she'll be telling us that this has been law since 2018 and there's been no increase in attacks etc. But that's simply because nobody knows about it!! Once men realise the situation and how they can now legally just saunter into female spaces, we will absolutely see an increase. They won't even have a GRC - who's going to ask to see one??

What about the women (2, different) assaulted by transwomen in hostels formerly reserved for women? What about the women subjected to verbal harassment by transwomen in Limerick prison. Two examples of new abuse that could not have happened before. And that we wouldn't know about without Paddy O'Gorman.

I suspect there'll be no records because the system has been set up to not record the sex of offenders accurately.

Good old performative stupidity again.

The Countess is gardening on GFM if anyone has seeds to spare.

Thanks I might have seeds to cast amárach

Couldn't figure out what GFM was, not at my brightest this morning 😴, donated this afternoon when I'd woken up a bit 😄

I am still asleep, I cannot figure it out.

I googled the countess but I cannot find anything on their website.

https://twitter.com/TheCountessIE/status/1712546452424241650?t=a4v7aRxzsLvnokpGyr87oA&s=19

So is it now, again, legal to discriminate on the grounds if sex? Sounds like it.

Not really. It is illegal to discriminate on the grounds of sex because "the gender ground" has always referred to sex. But also illegal to discriminate on the grounds of the other use of the word gender/gender identity etc But how do you tell which bits of legislation refer to gender meaning sex and gender meaning GI? And what do you do when the two rub up against eachother?

I can see why people think the only way this can be clarified is on foot of legal cases.