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Gender critical in Ireland

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Muppetryofthepenis · 11/06/2022 16:57

Just wondering if there are many others out there. Was reading a political pamphlet and it was going on about self ID and how important it is. I just don't agree and think it's so damaging to change the definition of what a woman is. And the definition of a man too, I guess. Sex based rights are under threat in Ireland. Fed up with all the nonsense. Wondering what other Irish mumsnetters think.

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Leopardprintonsie · 24/03/2023 15:21

butterfliesanddoves · 24/03/2023 15:06

The RTE presenter seemed very biased. The suggestion that the decision by World Athletics could result in children starting on blockers!
World Athletics made it clear that their decision was based on fairness in sports.
The implication that women should make way for biological males, to prevent children going down a medical pathway is outlandish.
As for the scrapping of gendered sports 🙄
What is wrong with RTE? Do women and girls not matter?
Though they probably couldn't interview any female athletes, as the backlash for the woman would be huge.

And that's what they want. Remember the big pharmaceutical companies produce the hormone blockers. The younger they start the more money to be made. It is frightening.

Leopardprintonsie · 24/03/2023 16:09

Fantastic article Sonia. Straight talking & highlighting the facts.

AncientBallerina · 24/03/2023 16:39

Vary biased report on Andrea Gilligan on Newstalk at lunchtime too - some trans person called ‘Saoirse’ claiming that there was no evidence that trans people had any advantage over women. Given so much airtime to communicate their well prepared media messages. Apparently there is no evidence to suggest that transpeople on hormones have an advantage over women. Oh and Lia Thomas doesn’t count because apparently a so called ciswoman broke her winning timing the next day. There was an ‘answer’ for everything and Andrea,shame on her, didn’t challenge the script at all.
Then a poor female weightlifter who had her world record broken by a trans person came on, but had no real stats just her personal story which was sad but not very impactful. She had not been media trained unlike ‘Saoirse’ Then another trans person who seemed slightly more balanced. I switched off then because I had to go back to work. If anyone heard the rest of it I’d be very interested to see if there was any more balance in the rest of the report and what comments from listeners were broadcast.

Leopardprintonsie · 24/03/2023 16:41

As I keep saying it's Transgender propoganda & state controlled censorship just like the BK case.

Well done Sonia O Sullivan speaking out, she should have been on Morning Ireland this morning, shame on rte for not giving a woman's perspective.

AncientBallerina · 24/03/2023 16:59

Thank you!

Farmageddon · 24/03/2023 17:06

Vary biased report on Andrea Gilligan on Newstalk at lunchtime too - some trans person called ‘Saoirse’ claiming that there was no evidence that trans people had any advantage over women. Given so much airtime to communicate their well prepared media messages. Apparently there is no evidence to suggest that transpeople on hormones have an advantage over women.

How do they keep getting away with saying this unchallenged? Surely that is not proper journalism or presenting or whatever. They are spouting lies and they know it. Any man (regardless of how he feels) who has gone through male puberty will have a myriad of physical advantages over women.

And again, they are not banned from competing, they can still compete in the appropriate sex category. Only most of them wouldn't actually qualify in the men's sports, and they fucking know it...

3timeslucky · 24/03/2023 17:18

"Saoirse’ claiming that there was no evidence that trans people had any advantage over women"

This is just an outright lie. I am fed up of lazy journalists who don't research the subject matter enough to challenge blatant lies.

Leopardprintonsie · 24/03/2023 17:22

@3timeslucky it's not lazy journalism it's transgender propoganda at its finest

AncientBallerina · 25/03/2023 00:03

It’s also very hard for people to stand up and admit they were wrong. I have someone very close to me who used to believe it all and I know now (because they’ve let a few things slip to me) that they are having a rethink, but I also know there’s no way they can admit it in the circle they move in and their profession. It really is like trying to leave a religion or a cult. I think people will just quietly drop it over time leaving a trail of damaged young people in their wake. I mean seriously imagine facing up to the fact that you actually believed a man was a woman despite having a fully functioning schlong, because he had a womanly ‘gender identity’ (where exactly?). Feckin scarlet for the whole lot of them.

Genesis1v27 · 25/03/2023 12:32

Sonia O'Sullivan was on The Hard Shoulder on Newstalk yesterday:

Sonia O'Sullivan: Banning male-to-female trans athletes 'a good call'

Joolsin · 25/03/2023 16:53

I'm looking at the footage of KJK in NZ yesterday and more determined than ever to attend LWS in Dublin in April. But ... how are our police going to manage the event?

Villagetoraiseachild · 25/03/2023 17:48

Hi Joolsin,
All I can add is that the police were brilliant in both Newcastle and Glasgow earlier this year. They ensured that a very large gap was kept between the speakers and the protestors.

I didn't know this in advance and currently their reputation is not very high for various reasons but fair play to them they held the line. And the presence of the stewards was great and reassuring.

I don't know how the Dublin police are with events such as these, but hopefully they will be aware of Auckland and plan accordingly.
Auckland was extreme by anyone's standards.

I did read advice before going to have your exit planned, should the need arise, which is sensible. The advice is also to leave in small groups, but that wasn't even necessary.

I'm sure there will be great speeches and atmosphere in Dublin. Maybe you can find someone on Mumsnet who is also attending. Might make you feel safer.

Abhannmor · 28/03/2023 17:09

Cad in ainm Dé. It's so hard to sell Irish immersion learning and even harder to get funding.

This looks almost like some form of sabotage by people who hate the language?

FionaMacCool · 28/03/2023 20:03

Comments on Twitter are quite revealing; one of my teen DCs this evening said "they're going to ruin it for the people who really do have dysphoria".

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerryman_ie/status/1640413381789089793

https://mobile.twitter.com/kerryman_ie/status/1640413381789089793

Believerinbiology · 28/03/2023 20:27

This is going to be more widespread since the regulations were changed in 2021 and schools are being encouraged to do this.

3timeslucky · 29/03/2023 07:37

From what I've seen not every Principal is jumping on board to have this done on their new build. Throwing up his hands and saying "The Dept made me do it" doesn't really cut it. But parents need to be all over this and early in the process. Who is on Boards, PAs etc may becoming more and more important.

takeawaydinner · 29/03/2023 07:56

The Independent article above is behind a pay wall for me, but this is in the Kerryman newspaper which is part of the Independent group.

Parents' group claims school lacking consultation on 'gender-neutral' toilets. A group of concerned parents and the Board of Management at Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí are at loggerheads over a decision to install gender-neutral toilets at the new school, which is due to open on a 6.5-acre site in Tralee next month.
The €16million campus will cater for over 600 pupils, but some parents say they are unhappy at not being consulted about a decision to provide gender-neutral toilets for male and female students aged between 12 and 19 years.
Principal of Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí Ruairí Ó Cinnéide stated that guidelines for toilet layout, and the school curriculum content, come directly from the Department of Education.
He said the toilets are designed in line with the Department of Education's School Design Guidelines for Sanitary Facilities.The school has assigned separate toilet blocks for girls, boys and also has a unisex toilet block.
Tralee mother Dee Stewart, whose daughters attend Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí, questions the need to create 'a dilemma' around toilet facilities in the first place, adding she is unhappy at the lack of consultation and unease among parents who believe gender-identity policies are being fast-tracked at the behest of parental input.
Ms Stewart is a member of the Kerry Parent Rights Alliance - a group set up last December for parents anxious over policy changes around gender that may impact their child's school environment.
She asserts that gender-neutral toilets remain an 'untested policy' within the school setting and is part of a fast-tracking of policy changes that require more parental scrutiny.
The concerned group of parents say they do not accept communal toilet spaces over what they claim is 'potential health and safety risks', including the psychological effects sharing a toilet space may have on young children.
But The Kerryman understands that - following a meeting with the Board of Management last week - it was decided to change the layout by having male toilets on the top floor, female toilets on the middle floor, and gender-neutral toilets on the ground floor of the school.
“We're still not happy with this decision as, I feel, the health and safety risks still exist on the ground floor. Anyway, why must girls on the bottom floor now go to the middle floor to use the toilet?” Ms Stewart said.
The parents' group claim they found out about the decision to install gender-neutral toilets via a WhatsApp message from a parents' group.
They outlined their dismay in an email direct to school management.
Moreover, they expressed disappointment at the cancellation of two meetings with the Board of Management to discuss the matter that were due to have taken place on March 7 and 23.
The school has since denied this, saying the meetings were rescheduled and not cancelled.
The parents' group contacted Minister for Education Norma Foley seeking clarification. Her reply referenced the 'Professional and Technical Section' of the Department that instructs that school buildings be designed in such a way that 'any toilet' can be used as a boys, girls or gender-neutral toilet and there is no difference in the installation of toilet facilities, irrespective of how they may be assigned.
The Department's guidelines state that toilets should be designed with the physical and emotional safety of pupils in mind, and to promote inclusivity.
It states that the operation and designation of all toilet facilities is a matter for each school authority, as deemed appropriate by the school, and not the Department.
Discussions between concerned parents and Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí are ongoing, while the parents have requested to see the layout of the toilets in order to assess them ahead of the school's opening date of April 24.
Ms Stewart described gender-neutral toilets as a 'red flag' issue and questioned why a forum was not set up for parents to discuss whether it's okay for boys and girls to use the same communal toilet space.
“There are gender differences; this is a denial of the fact girls have different requirements for using facilities,” she said.
“For example, there is a big issue with social anxiety among girls. When girls in the school setting don't feel safe, they usually go to the toilets and close the door. Girls need a safe and private place,” she added.
Impending changes to the Social Personal and Health Education (SPHE) curriculum - that seek to incorporate discussions on gender identity, pornography and sexual consent - have also been criticised by the parents as information is being drip-fed to them by the Department of Education.
“We are trying to get our heads around everything that is happening as it's all happening so quick. The toilets is another example of this,” she said.
“We're just normal parents. As parents, we're being instructed to accept changes for our children that are not even clear to those implementing them,” Ms Stewart added. The parents' group say they want 'greater input' and consultation on gender-identity issues going forward - a request Gaelcholáiste Chiarraí say it is happy to accommodate.
Ms Stewart is adamant that any situation arising where a request for a 'girls only' toilet must be made in 'the year 2023' is unacceptable.
She considers it a contradiction amounting to a lack of inclusivity if demands based only on gender transitioning are being accommodated.
“What about girls' rights? These actions would seem to be eroding them,” she said.
“I know parents who say they are worried about these changes but are afraid to speak publicly for fear of a backlash. This isn't very democratic. You would have to have pause for thought as there's an environment and atmosphere of 'cancel culture' now on many issues relating to topics like this,” she said.
“My motivation is solely my three girls and two boys. There are a lot of words like 'inclusive' going around today that all sound very nice. But, overall, there is a lack of information and transparency about what is meant by 'inclusivity' when it comes to gender,” she explained.
Ms Stewart said Kerry Parent Rights Alliance is made up of parents from all walks of life with no ideological cause, but who say they wish to 'shield children' from what they describe as under-researched gender-identity policies being taught within the school setting.
Lastly, Mr Ó Cinnéide said he has met or has spoken to any parent who has contacted the school to allay their concerns.
“While we take the concerns expressed by the parents on board, I must say that, as principal, it's not an issue that has been raised by a majority of parents in the school,” he said.

ladymactíre · 29/03/2023 09:35

I saw that yesterday, but couldn't read the whole article, I was going to get the newspaper today - thank you @takeawaydinner , I don't need to anymore.
I really don't understand the motivation, the reasoning behind this, and I don't understand how people are so passive towards this matter.
I have girls, thanks be to god they're finished with school, they're in uni now, and normal ones, where they actually study and better themselves in subjects that they are passionate about.

Who in the right mind can think that a small, shy, scared 12 year old girl or boy, just starting secondary school, would be comfortable going to toilet and having to pass through a group of older boys or girls on the way to the stall?! How are the quiet parents ok with this?!

Starting secondary school is hard and scary as it is. Why make it worse?! My girls are happy, outgoing, talkative, sociable beings, but starting secondary wasn't easy for them either. It's a different space, different rules, when you're 12, 16-17 year old people look big and scary, you don't fit and need time to find your place and make friends. All this on top of puberty, with its own special way to mess your mind and body

ladymactíre · 29/03/2023 09:46

I really hope Norma Foley will knock at my door, asking for votes

johnnytightlips · 29/03/2023 10:56

Roddy is up in the Seanad to face questioning over the unspent money being diverted from the Magdalene laundries /migrant / travellers funds redirected to his pet projects. I wonder how he is going to spin this.

twitter.com/senatorkeogan/status/1641010419748724736?s=46&t=n3zdqIaFvPOAlTgp5jGVgA

LightsOnNow · 29/03/2023 11:18

Regarding the toilets in schools issue, could I jump in and ask if the situation is

  1. separate block for female
  2. separate block for male
  3. gender neutral block

At least there are separate facilities, but it does introduce a mixed setting. I wonder if trans can use all three facilities? The lack of consultation with parents is unreal.

PleasantBirthday · 29/03/2023 11:27

Well, I think gender neutral is also male in reality, so the boys have facilities on two floors and the girls have facilities on one floor.

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