Refugees

[InayaWoo]

Am I wrong to feel the people of this country are using the "Cost of Living" narrative to justify not helping migrants and refugees who seek refuge for themselves? Neglecting our British values, passing the buck to Rwanda and European countries. The attitude towards those fleeing war zones and risking everything to come to this country on harsh waters is outrageous!

I was in the corner shop today and over heard a couple of women making digs about foreigners. To make unjustified claims such as "it makes us unsafe", "we don't have jobs" or my personal favourite - "they don't integrate into society." What on earth has happened to our British values? To make others feel welcome and to help others in need of help!

Every human has a right to safety, affordable housing, food, water, education and a healthcare system. Those are all things our wonderful country can provide and quite frankly has a moral obligation to provide for those coming from other parts of the world that aren't as fortunate as us.

Erm. You can. Like anyone else can. Just satisfy visa requirements as pp siad and you are free to move.... That cannot come as a surprise!
I would also like to know how difficult it is for Brits compared to others since you mention "as a Brit"... Because i have a feeling it will not be that hard compared to many other nationals

We are incredibly far from reaching that stage. I know the right wing loves to scaremonger about these things, but you only have to look at the swathes of empty office space around to see that that is the case.

there is plenty of room; but I do agree we need to get our own house in order before we accept this level of immigration. Refugees- well of course we need to- but we need some proper facilities and care for refugees and also some proper collaboration with our neighbours .

I’ve got a spare room, but if your daft idea about having to take in a “refugee” ever came to pass, which it won’t, I’d just head out to the nearest major road, and take in one of the many English people who cannot even get a hotel room, and are literally having to live on the street.🙄

There is no way I’d be forced to take in someone, usually a young male, of a different culture, that’s rocked up across the Channel, with no one having any idea who they are because they never have any paperwork.

Do leave off - if you’re that noble, then put your kids into shared bedrooms and open up your home.😗

It’s not easy at all….. I’ve tried

OP seems like a propaganda post from a said ‘refugee’ country. England is full, sorry.

They don’t ‘deserve’ them at all. They’re literally nothing to do with us and actively make things more difficult and/or dangerous for the families who have their taxes stolen to give to those apparently more ‘deserving’. Pay for immigrants yourself via charity if you feel so strongly. Stop pretending there’s some moral superiority to leaving British kids hungry and elderly dying on the streets without ambulances - so some benefits hunter can arrive from Afghanistan to throw acid in kids faces. As you do.

Name a single instance when an English person has thrown acid in the face of a kid. Your argument is so inherently ridiculous I’m surprised your handler let you post it.

@Numberfish
The great majority of migrants ( over 600,000 a year) have been invited here to work to fill gaps in the UK workforce. I remember being told by a Greek nurse in Athens that everyone who got a first ( or equivalent) in finals also got a letter from the NHS inviting them to work in the UK. If the UK is going to successfully persuade them to move here they need support and housing.
I think you are confusing migrant workers with illegal asylum seekers who enter the country illegally.
When we were members of the EU we had a constant stream of bright educated English speaking people coming here to work. We have lost them now.
London schools rely heavily on Australian teachers working here for a couple of years before going home.
All over the world, countries are desperate to attract educated English speaking migrant workers. The NHS would collapse without the invited trained, educated, skilled medical staff.
You seem very muddled about the process by which the UK trawls the workforce in other countries to fill massive gaps in our key jobs.

London schools rely heavily on Australian teachers working here for a couple of years before going home.

Hmm, true, but you know what, London schools rely very heavily on refugees to teach as well, some of whom arrived by small boat.

Your children may very well be being taught maths and/science by teachers who are refugees - you will probably not be aware of it- why would you know that about the staff?

@notknowledgeable
There are significant numbers of Australian teachers here on the two year mobility scheme. I have never worked with a poor Australian teacher. They are bright, resilient and in demand because their education system is very similar to ours. I have worked widely in London schools and whereas there may be some former refugees working in education, they are not present in any significant number.
It is disingenuous to suggest that they are propping up London schools in the way that Aussie teachers contribute to the teaching workforce. Many Heads reach out to agencies specialising in recruiting from Australia because they do such a brilliant job.

Ditto the NHS, they recruit by legal means world wide. By and large the migrant workers recruited legally do a fantastic job. It is difficult to see how the NHS would manage without them. Asylum seekers entering illegally cannot be compared to legally recruited key workers from overseas

well, that is your experience - and you probably would not know if a teacher you were working with was a refugee or not.

Whereas I guess I would recognise an Australian teacher if I'd ever met one, which I have not.

I am sure many are working in London, I am sure many of them are great, but you do let your own credibility down with statements that could not possibly be true - you cannot assign specific characteristics to an entire nationality like that - that is not how humans work

The background of teachers in the UK is carefully scrutinised before they are given QTS. The Government and SLT of individual schools seek to recruit from countries that have similar education systems to the UK. I don't think you can have worked in London Schools if you do not recognise the significant number of Aussie teachers filling gaps. Recruitment also looks to Canada and New Zealand but the Canadian education system is significantly different to the UK and there are not as many Canadian teachers.
https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-workforce-in-england
To suggest that people arriving illegally in the UK are given jobs as teachers in UK schools is wrong. Teacher recruitment is highly specialised. Background checks are so important. DBS is a requirement for anyone working in a school.
Also teachers are a friendly bunch. Aussies are valued in the staffroom for their understanding of the UK educational process.
You seem determined to find fault with overseas workers recruited via legal means whether in teaching or for the NHS. These key workers are rightly valued. It is duplicitous to suggest that illegal refugees contribute to the running of the NHS or other key services such as education.

The above post was directed @notknowledgeable

Sure, recruited overseas workers are valued, I have never said they were not. but there is nothing "duplicitous" about suggesting refugees contribute to the education system, because they do in huge numbers - many of them are highly qualified, and have come from jobs with much higher status and pay than teaching in their own countries. And pass DBS checks.

I'd go as far as to say in some London boroughs refugees are propping up education in some subjects, in that it would not be happening without them

Also, there is nothing "illegal" about refugees.

But it isn't, is it? You can't just make up basic facts like that.

I can do better than that, I can name numerous instances when English people have murdered children. For example, Ian Huntley, Ian Brady, Jeremy Bamber, Lucy Letby.

You're not in a position to accuse anyone else of making ridiculous arguments.

How do migrants coming here to work (and pay taxes) cause all of that?

By definition, an asylum seeker isn't entering the country illegally.

It is duplicitous to suggest that illegal refugees contribute to the running of the NHS or other key services such as education.

There is no such thing as an illegal refugee.

There are 43 million people in afghanistan
Exactly how many spare houses are there in the uk?
We are already in a situation where going to a&e means a 12 hour wait to see a doctor. How many extra people should we be accommodating?

four bedrooms is plenty
one room for you
two of the kids could share a room
one kid could have their own room and if a family then share with refugee child
refugee single man or parents if a family in fourth room

sorted.

How rude. I’m not muddled, the gap you are talking about is the government refusing to provide training for British children and instead importing already trained aliens. It’s a systemic eradication of privilege, wealth and opportunities for the natives. Why would we approve this massive injustice as we pay taxes for the aliens to be inserted. It’s you who are muddled, if I’m being charitable.

Who knows, people never put numbers

On another note it’s very sad and concerning that this thread was started at around the time the acid attack criminal committed the crime and still no arrest

It 100% is full. There are no school places, hospital places, doctors, ambulances, housing, jobs, funds, defence, etc. etc.

Are you imagining we have space until we’re shoulder to shoulder? You’re being ridiculous.