Vaccine or not?

[vaccineornot]

I’m not sure if it’s possible to have a rational conversation about it but I’ll post!
I’ve had vaccines, missed my last as I was unwell and couldn’t rebook in time

I am doubting myself massively about whether I should have more or not
My doctor and consultant say basically “duh, yes, why wouldn’t you”

Social media seems to be (before anyone tells me not to listen, it’s every single person I see) that it’s a scam, a con, the vaccines don’t do anything, the more I have the higher the risk and the push NOT to have it is so strong that I’m thinking am I wrong to have it?
I just can’t seem to work out if I’m more at risk from Covid (which people are saying is a load of shit anyway) or more at risk from the vaccine (which everyone is saying is dangerous to health)

NC as I don’t want people thinking I’m an idiot for questioning myself

someone said no one is forced , so it's relevant to say we nearly were. ( which we were).
Sorry you had a scare with traffic

Why are you asking that on this particular thread? Do you believe it benefits someone who has medical issues that have carried on longer than the initial vaccine programme and has more things to consider than years old grievances?

How is this relevant to the overwhelming data showing the vaccine is safe and Covid itself carries many risks of complications?

I’m so sorry for your loss- that sounds awful. However even you are saying that despite full vaccination he still died. So how exactly did having the vaccination help?

I'm asking because it's bizare that if people take all other vaccines but not this one they are ridiculed as being anti vaxxers.
It's odd and I'd like a rational explanation from one of those people

If you spread misinformation and use antivaxxer rhetoric, you will be called an antivaxxer.

Community health ain't a personal choice.

Refusing to recognise our responsibility to participate in community health emergency interventions is an active choice to put individualism above the common good and science.

Bye.

yes, I wondered that

wow.
It's like travelling back in time!

To be fair, quite a lot of them died from Covid.

Did I ever say this was ‘relevant to the data’??
I was just expressing my personal choice on a discussion board but I can see you are very quick to jump down peoples throats.
I felt more unwell after the vaccination than with Covid therefore as I stated my personal choice was to not have any further vaccinations.

So you’re just randomly trying to use an anecdote to manipulate OP’s emotions.

I have all my jags including Covid and flu.

both are horrible illnesses and I happily take the jag to lessen my chances of catching them or lessen the effects if I do.

what do you think the con is?

The OP asked for discussion and I gave my personal experience this is literally what this site is for.. discussion
how is that manipulation?
you know you can have discussions without being aggressive don’t you?

You might find it funny that I was extremely ill last week, but it wasn’t very amusing for me, I can assure you.

Again ( this is hard work) if someone has had all other vaccines, how can they be an anti vaxxer?

Antivaxxers don’t have strong evidence so use the same unsubstantiated narratives repeatedly. You would have thought they would have learned something by now.

“genuinely” 🤔

You are clearly not on the fence. You aren’t asking for advice. There are plenty of more informed places you can go for information, but you chose to ask this viper’s nest, known for having a whole load of anti-vaxxers on it.

The peer reviewed scientific data, the worldwide statistics on the efficacy and safety of the vaccine is easily found. There is absolutely no evidence the vaccine is harming people in large numbers despite nearly 14 billion doses having been given. The world went nuts when half a dozen people in the U.K. had an issue with blood clots early on. It was thought to be an issue in 0.001% of cases. Don’t you think if even 1% of people had suffered major adverse effects, the sheer number would make it obvious there was a problem and if nothing else, the thousands of scientists who study such things would be researching it?

Anyone who, instead of looking at the easily found data, goes on an Internet forum to find answers to this is definitely not genuine.

Half a dozen people with blood clots?
What a nasty minimising thing to say.
And why are you being so unpleasant to somebody asking a genuine question?
If people can only get comments, advice. Suggestions from official sources why are you offering an opinion on here? Your answer can not be in any way genuine or useful as you are not linking to a peer reviewed paper

Don't draw conclusions based on anecdotal statements from social media. Spend some time learning how to appraise research literature, use an appropriate database, and have a look at peer reviewed journal articles. There are numerous looking at the safety of the vaccine. There will always be unexpected reactions to medications, because all medications come with risks. It's whether this is statistically significantly. The overwhelming majority of the evidence demonstrates the vaccine is safe.

I have it because I work with the elderly, and I'll continue to have it.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks there is some worldwide conspiracy around COVID and why they think all the world governments would agree to such a thing, tbh.

Exactly this

I have no regrets about not getting it, even though i lost my job and took 2 years to find another, thankfully better job

I know many who regret taking it, for some its been life changing in horrible ways

I'm not sure lots of people think it's a conspiracy. That's a lazy insult from people who for some reason are furious that others don't want it.
For the vast majority it's simply that the risk assessment for them personally means their choice is not to have it. No aliens, no bill Gates, no nanobots, just a look at the data.

Maybe start a generic thread about that then instead of shoehorning your personal beefs into discussions where someone is clearly trying to make a personal decision and your rhetoric is completely redundant given they’ve already had numerous vaccines to date.

It's a discussion board.
The op was asking opinions.
I take it you have no rational explanation fir why people are called anti vax if they have all vaccines except the covid one?