Vaccine or not?

[vaccineornot]

I’m not sure if it’s possible to have a rational conversation about it but I’ll post!
I’ve had vaccines, missed my last as I was unwell and couldn’t rebook in time

I am doubting myself massively about whether I should have more or not
My doctor and consultant say basically “duh, yes, why wouldn’t you”

Social media seems to be (before anyone tells me not to listen, it’s every single person I see) that it’s a scam, a con, the vaccines don’t do anything, the more I have the higher the risk and the push NOT to have it is so strong that I’m thinking am I wrong to have it?
I just can’t seem to work out if I’m more at risk from Covid (which people are saying is a load of shit anyway) or more at risk from the vaccine (which everyone is saying is dangerous to health)

NC as I don’t want people thinking I’m an idiot for questioning myself

People stopped keeping up to date with Covid information when one of the symptoms was you’d have no symptoms. Even with the common cold you have symptoms but apparently not with Covid.

You can say that if you want but take some time to look into it and there is plenty of info out there about the risks. It’s nothing like a cold. Your comment is pretty dismissive of the PP in this thread with friends and family who have been very severely affected or even died.

No one is saying you personally have to change your behaviour. But please don’t mislead.

I’m not “high risk” for covid but have had 3 vaccines, the last one in 2022 I think- got covid last year and I was so ill! I’m usually not too bad when I get colds and have never had flu but covid was horrible. So I’m really glad I had the vaccinations because I would probably have been even worse without them.

When you think about people having issues with the vaccine you have to keep in perspective the numbers involved.

My MIL has a sibling who was left severely disabled as a child after a massive reaction to paracetamol.
MIL and two of their other siblings have also turned out to be allergic to it.

There will always be people who have bad reactions to any drug and any vaccine. Those reactions should, however, be kept in proportion to the number of people having them and the usefulness of them on a society wide basis.

It would be absolutely wrong to ban paracetamol on the basis it has killed or injured a small number of people compared to the huge amount of good it does.

Same with vaccines.

Wouldn’t touch the vaccine

I know one very high profile person who died of COVID pre vaccine. But he was clearly obese and had lots of risk factors for it

I directly know 3 people with heart problems that came on within 24hrs of the vaccine (who had clear bills of health in previous private medical screenings) and know of several people who either dropped dead or had sudden cancers in the last couple of years

In general the rushed through MRNA vaccines are known to be virtually ineffective but carry quite a high risk of side effects, including cardiomyopathy. This is not internet chatter - it’s mainstream news - and Pfizer et al ARE being sued

It was rushed through under emergency legislation that meant it didn’t have to go through stringent long term testing

Also with regard to social media it should always be kept in mind that people who have problems are far more likely to post. Folks who have a vaccine and get on with their week are unlikely to post anything.

MN would have you believe all MiL's are the devil incarnate and all DH's absolutely useless man children if you extrapolated threads on here as being proportional representation of society as a whole.

All family and friends have had the vaccine and none of them regret it. Unfortunately two friends died of Covid just before the vaccine rollout. Perhaps they would still be alive if they’d had the opportunity to have the vaccine.

This is incredibly misleading. There are vastly more people with heart problems from Covid than from the vaccine, and it was still stringently tested.

It’s really a shame to see the antivaxxer sentiments being posted in this thread. No one should be coerced into having something they don’t want, but the accurate medical facts should be the basis of the decision. Not scaremongering.

If you're vulnerable and have had no side effects in the past from vaccines, it's probably worth taking doctor's advice.
Personally, I had 2 jabs and 1 booster and when I had covid it was just like a bad cold. My partner never had any vaccines and was absolutely fine, so make of that what you will!
I don't trust the government any more (since Borisgate) and I've heard too many stories of bad reactions to the vaccine so I'm giving it a wide berth these days. It's all down to personal choice at the end of the day though.

It is personal choice but unfortunately you are potentially influencing vulnerable people by spreading the myth that the vaccine is unsafe. The risk of Covid (even for healthy people) is much higher than the risk of the vaccine. Some of the impact from Covid isn’t immediate even if you didn’t have a very bad case, it also causes microclotting and increases longer term risks of cardiac issues and other problems. There’s also some evidence suggesting Covid infections lower IQ.

There are different reasons why the people I’ve mentioned regretted having the vaccine(s)

Some felt pressured by society/work/peers and didn’t actually want it.

Some have had health issues immediately afterwards that have continued.

Two very close family members were hospitalised with heart issues within two days of having their vaccine and are on life long medication now.

Your perception of "everybody says" is completely off. That's what social media does to us though and it does it very well - it creates an echo chamber for us and the loudest voices sound like they are majority, but they are not. The kind of people who are shouting loudly on SM about vaccines not the ones who are best placed to judge their value or weigh up evidence or have your actual best interests at heart. They are the ones with a personal axe to grind. Most people either disagree or don't engage.

It's a personal choice thing op, but in your position I definitely would get it. I see how it's hard to feel like you are going against the majority but you are really not, you'd be choosing to ignore the vocal minority who have all sorts of agendas.

My nhs consultant has recommended I get it every time I’m offered it so have had it with my flu jab. Have had all 3 brands with no reaction. I’ve not been invited for the spring booster but would have it if offered as trust my consultant’s advice.

I’ve booked it for Saturday. Mostly because I decided I’ve had 8 with no issues so I may as well have this and I didn’t get the last one so I probably need a bit of protection

Agree. Extremely misleading post. Vaccines are very stringently tested and also closely monitored.

I’m not misleading? I’m genuinely opening a conversation as I was starting to question myself

This was one of the lies perpetrated that you’d help to protect others of you took it. It’s more like the other way around, tllook up vaccine shedding.

OP it’s your body and your choice so I’m not going to say anything other than do lots of your own research.

To all those saying that those offered them are clinically vulnerable or whatever, my GP explained the system for calculating it and a lot of the time it was the person’s high BMI putting them into this category. This doesn’t seem to get mentioned much.

I’ve had every Covid vaccination as soon as it was available to me, and I’m very thankful that I did. I’m just recovering after spending the last week in bed with Covid, and have been every bit as ill as I was when I had it the first two times. I couldn’t get out of bed for most of the week except to drag myself to the toilet and I hate to think how much worse it could have been if I’d not been vaccinated.

It’s not my BMI, I’m immunocompromised

This is so out of touch. You have to be very vulnerable to receive the boosters now. Literally go and look up the guidelines if you’re interested (as opposed to just pushing antivaxxer views). No one I know who gets them is even overweight! For me it’s a struggle not to be underweight.

And those around me pay for boosters privately to protect me.

I did not have the jab and I did not allow anyone in my family to have it either.

Most of the people close to us did have the jab.

We have all had COVID 3 times. As have all the people close to us who had the jab. Our symptoms were no worse than theirs - in fact on two of those occasions my family recovered more quickly. Anecdotal of course, but I'm very, very glad I did not succumb to pressure at the time.

Yes, your anecdotal experience is definitely much more compelling than the copious evidence which proves that Covid itself carries far more risk than the vaccine.

Not to mention the fact that the risks of Covid continue for years down the road. You don’t know yet how it’s affected you or anyone in your family.

Gold star for you @Thecatatemyplants but the world has moved on since then. This conversation is about someone who is immunocompromised and under the care of a consultant who recommends a booster knowing their medical situation including the risks vs benefits.

what do you believe your comment offered to them?

I didn't have any of them and am very happy with my decision.
When they were first rolled out I knew a fair few people who had menstrual issues, 2 who immediately got shingles; and my mother had her first epilepic fit in about 20 years within 4 hours of getting it.
People will shout anecdotes but enough anecdotes provide a pattern