Vaccine or not?

[vaccineornot]

I’m not sure if it’s possible to have a rational conversation about it but I’ll post!
I’ve had vaccines, missed my last as I was unwell and couldn’t rebook in time

I am doubting myself massively about whether I should have more or not
My doctor and consultant say basically “duh, yes, why wouldn’t you”

Social media seems to be (before anyone tells me not to listen, it’s every single person I see) that it’s a scam, a con, the vaccines don’t do anything, the more I have the higher the risk and the push NOT to have it is so strong that I’m thinking am I wrong to have it?
I just can’t seem to work out if I’m more at risk from Covid (which people are saying is a load of shit anyway) or more at risk from the vaccine (which everyone is saying is dangerous to health)

NC as I don’t want people thinking I’m an idiot for questioning myself

Definition of an antivaxxer

a person who is opposed a to vaccination.

“experts say several diseases that are avoidable are making a comeback due to anti-vaxxers who refuse to vaccinate their kids"

I take it you have no rational explanation fir why people are called anti vax

maybe it’s because anti-vaxxers don’t seem to be able to control themselves or apply their opinions in a way relevant to any discussion even mildly related to the giving/receiving of Covid vaccines. I can call you a Covid anti-vaxxer if that makes you happier, that doesn’t mean I think that your contributions to this thread are of any relevance to the subject posted about.

Which childhood illnesses are on the rise due to anyone not having a covid injection?

Can't control themselves?
What on earth are you on about?
This discussion was asking opinions on whether to have the vaccine or not.
How can offering an opinion on whether to have the vaccine or not be irrelevant to the discussion?

Due to misinformation from Covid anti vaxxers, the uptake of childhood vaccinations has dropped. England no longer has the levels of population immunity recommended by the World Health Organisation of 95%, and this has led to increased risk for those who are unvaccinated or under-vaccinated. It means that infections like measles and whooping cough are rising.

I’ve had EIGHT covid vaccines
The reason I am querying this one is because I have seen more and more stuff about Covid and the vaccines which has honestly made me feel like maybe I’m in the wrong
If you want proof of my vaccines I’m perfectly happy to post them. Like I said I didn’t have the last one as I was in hospital

Posters on Mn are not the best people for medical advice and up to date information. Best to talk to your GP.

So anti vaxxers, not anti covid vaccine.
Maybe if people hadn't been massively pressured to have a vaccine they didn't want or need trust would not have been affected regarding other vaccines?

Amazing, isn't it:
You've had 8 injections and are being slated and now ridiculed for questioning if you should have more
You'll be called an anti vaxxer soon.

This is the thing that made me think to start with because there seems to be no rational conversation over it
If I click on the spring vaccine FB post, there are thousands of comments about Covid being a con, TikTok dances, the vaccine being dangerous and people on here saying what bad reactions they had
Half my friends are saying they won’t have another one
my GP says it’s up to me (one of my conditions is really rare)
my consultant says to have it but it’s my choice

I listened to people in 2022 when they said Covid wasn’t that bad now and it was fine, went to a meal and got Covid
Is it any wonder I’m thinking WTF

heres my invite and my last ones

So you've had covid so will have antibodies .

Remember when people were saying the injections caused menstrual issues and they were ridiculed for reporting anecdotes?
And heart issues?
And blood clots?
And adverse immune responses?
All anecdotal until it wasn't

This is the issue - I fall into the category that is unlikely to develop antibodies because I have a blood disorder

Good for you for having your vaccines previously.
Your message here suggests you have specific medical issues that - frankly - nobody on MN is qualified to answer.
But definitely listen to your GP, and/or other medical professionals, over random TikTokers or your conspiracy-theory-fan 'friend' on FB.

Ah, sorry I missed that.
The vaccines may give you some temporary protection
Why don't you get a blood test done to see if you do have antibodies or not?

Show me the data you're talking about.

The vast majority of people declining vaccinations are not looking at any research data. Because people think 'research' consists of some random person ranting on social media.

Perhaps if anti vaxxers hadn’t got in the way of people understanding the benefits of the Covid vaccine, we would have increased the vaccine rate and people wouldn’t have become nervous about vaccines in general.

That’s irrelevant to the OP since she’s said that she didn’t experience any side effects with the previous multiple vaccinations she’s already had.

I’m not saying side effects don’t exist, far from it, but you’re pushing an agenda that doesn’t even try to be unbiased. There’s zero risk vs benefit consideration in your posts which are all tailored to deter people, despite you knowing absolutely nothing about their medical history, from receiving a vaccine recommended to them precisely because of their medical status.

I take a different treatment that was briefly banned in the UK and is now only given if risk vs benefit criteria is strictly met. It’s been marvellous for me but if the world worked on your logic everyone would be treated like a child that couldn’t assess their own risks and it wouldn’t be available to anyone at all.

If you're at high risk from Covid, get the vaccine. If you are young and at low risk and not interacting closely with people at high risk I wouldn't bother, but I don't think people in that category are even being offered it (in the UK). Most of the people banging on about the vaccine are not at high risk themselves, so for them it's not important.

I have a friend who is a virologist and has worked extensively on covid, his line is pretty much what you say.

The vaccine does work to some extent, but there is no long term safety data and won't be for at least 10 to 20 years.

His advice to me was that as I am young and healths, have had Covid a few times, the natural immunity conferred by that repeated infection will be as good as that from a vaccine.

His advice regards my 83 year od mum is that she should have the vaccine, as her risk profile is different.

Same with flu really. This to me sounds a logical and sensible approach.

I looked at thew data from the ONS which showed hospitilization and deaths per age group and also related to other illnesses etc.
I also read many papers which concluded natural immunity from contracxted the illness gave longer lasting and more effective protection than the targeted vaccines so once I'd had covid I was confident i would be fine and adding an additional risk from the injections was unnecessary
Could you point me in the direction of where you got the data which shows "The vast majority of people declining vaccinations are not looking at any research data. Because people think 'research' consists of some random person ranting on social media."

or can I assume that's personal opinion?

it was in response to people saying citing anecdpotal evidence is irrelevant

You'd think it would be a logical and sensible response but you'll get anti vaxxer and weird capital letters in responses.
You may get lucky and be treated to some Bill Gates controlling your mind stuff too

…. And all your posts are irrelevant to the OP and her situation. You have zero clue of her personal medical situation yet you’re recommending an antibody test over vaccination. What’s the purpose of that? Have you any idea if she has had a recent infection of whatever strain is prominent? Do you know how long she’s likely to retain antibodies if she does develop them? Do you know whether she is likely to make antibodies at all if she does encounter an infection? Have you had a chat with her consultant regarding her specific profile and what she needs to consider before weighing up risks vs benefits?

why do you presume that someone has no idea what risks are associated with vaccines? Why are you incapable of encouraging someone to look into things themselves and decide for themselves? Are you really so incapable of allowing people to make up their own minds?

Measles! How have you managed to miss that? But yes, measles is VERY contagious so if you or your child aren't vaccinated it's almost a sure thing you'll catch it eventually. And it wipes out previous immune memory, too, of other viruses you've already had. Not good.