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COVID vaccine? Does it do anything?

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Greybottle · 09/12/2024 13:45

I jumped at getting the COVID vaccines when they came out and I got all the vaccines that I was eligible for to date except for this year.

I got COVID in the summer time and I wasn't able to get the vaccine this winter. My GP recommended a 4 month wait.

It's just I got COVID twice. Once in 2022 and I had that bad too. I wasn't hospitalised but still I was ill with fever, body aches, headaches and coughs for over a week. I was rushed back to work prepaturely when I still wasn't 100% better.

I got COVID this summer too. I was floored with it.

A lot of people were floored with it this summer. Even though we got the COVID vaccines.

It's just I got a reminder text to book the vaccine today and I just don't know.

I am not anti vaccine but what is the point of the vaccine when youre still going to get exposed and become ill to this anyways?

I got flu in 2004 or 2005 and I was getting flu vaccine because of my work from about 2008 and I never had flue since 04/05. The flu vaccine works. But I am questioning the COVID vaccine? What is the point of going out of my way to travel to an establishment to get jabbed and sore for a few days and if I am exposed to COVID, I am likely still going to get it.

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Bachboo · 09/12/2024 21:09

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 09/12/2024 20:44

So, overall what I’m getting from these posts is; it’s actually hard to prove the efficacy of the covid vaccine.

There’s those who had the jab, and still got a bad dose.

There’s those who had the jab, and escaped infection completely.

There’s those that never had the jab, and ended up in ICU.

There’s those that never had the jab, and also escaped infection completely.

Further combined and somewhat complicated with natural immunity building in the population and those most vulnerable succumbing in the first wave.

For a fair scientific experiment there has to be a ‘control group’

The control group acts as a baseline for comparison to the experimental group, which receives the treatment being tested. This allows researchers to determine if the treatment had an effect.

Because of the need to produce a vaccine as quickly as possible in order to return public confidence and prevent world economies going into freefall, combined with the ethics of deliberately exposing subjects to an infection that might potentially kill them - which was done in the past to test potency - I personally think it’s very hard to categorically state that the vaccine works. There’s far too many variants.

Honestly. Do you believe in alien abduction as well?

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 09/12/2024 21:22

Bachboo · 09/12/2024 21:09

Honestly. Do you believe in alien abduction as well?

I’m not quite sure how simply, realistically and logically I could have spelt it out. You don’t have to agree with me whatsoever but I can’t see what I’ve posted that makes you think I’m some kind of wacko.

I could be equally as rude and comment how some people lost all sense of reason and the ability to think for themselves - even when presented with the hard truth from the Matt Hancock WhatsApp’s where he openly admitted to manipulating facts and figures for political gain and that he pushed for everyone, including children, to be vaccinated when there was absolutely no benefit. Meanwhile he was snogging his mistress and no doubt laughing at the generally gullibility of the UK public.

Bachboo · 09/12/2024 21:31

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 09/12/2024 21:22

I’m not quite sure how simply, realistically and logically I could have spelt it out. You don’t have to agree with me whatsoever but I can’t see what I’ve posted that makes you think I’m some kind of wacko.

I could be equally as rude and comment how some people lost all sense of reason and the ability to think for themselves - even when presented with the hard truth from the Matt Hancock WhatsApp’s where he openly admitted to manipulating facts and figures for political gain and that he pushed for everyone, including children, to be vaccinated when there was absolutely no benefit. Meanwhile he was snogging his mistress and no doubt laughing at the generally gullibility of the UK public.

People seem to built their entire existence on the supposed Covid jab cover up. Unless you worked on the research behind the vaccine or on a ward during the pandemic you have no idea about the sheer hell of it. And it affected everyone not just the elderly or infirm so do excuse me if I take absolutely no notice of your opinion

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 09/12/2024 21:57

Bachboo · 09/12/2024 21:31

People seem to built their entire existence on the supposed Covid jab cover up. Unless you worked on the research behind the vaccine or on a ward during the pandemic you have no idea about the sheer hell of it. And it affected everyone not just the elderly or infirm so do excuse me if I take absolutely no notice of your opinion

I, on the other hand, still respect your opinion, even if it isn’t reciprocated.

Bachboo · 09/12/2024 22:03

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 09/12/2024 21:57

I, on the other hand, still respect your opinion, even if it isn’t reciprocated.

I cannot respect yours whatsoevet

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 09/12/2024 22:12

Bachboo · 09/12/2024 22:03

I cannot respect yours whatsoevet

OK. 👍

Stretchanoctave · 09/12/2024 22:25

I didn’t bother with it last year. Went out for dinner just before Christmas and the man on the table next door coughed constantly and looked really ill (so bloody inconsiderate- was obviously really unwell). Three days later I was diagnosed with Covid and have never felt so ill in my life. The other three people at my table had all been vaccinated and didn’t get it. So I don’t know - but I’ve had the vaccine this year. I’m scared of being so ill again. Can’t do any harm.

creamsnugjumper · 10/12/2024 23:16

UnitedOps · 09/12/2024 14:23

One of my sisters periods were impacted by the jab. She didn’t menstruate for 6 months. Her friend experienced the same thing. My other sister had more serious side effects- she had a brain clot and had to have an operation.

And they wonder why the birth rate is falling.. crazy times.

KinderChocolate · 10/12/2024 23:45

I got my first covid vaccine in April 2021, I got my second one two months later and I got my booster one six months after that. When I got my first one I felt fine straight after it, however I started to feel unwell at night. I felt dizzy and had a temperature, but I decided I would stay up late like I usually do, I just tried not to think about it. I went to bed at about 11.30pm. In the early hours of the morning, I had a headache and I got up and took paracetamol then went back to bed, but it soon passed and I was better in the mid afternoon. I was fine when I got my second one and I was fine when I got my booster.

The reason you get vaccines for it even though you can still get it after you've had your vaccines is if you would have been at risk if you had it, you wouldn't be at risk if you have it after you've had your vaccines. Also you don't feel as ill if you have it after you've had your vaccines as you do if you get it if you haven't had your vaccines. Also if you get it after you've had your vaccines you don't need to stay home, so you can go to school/college/university/work and you can go out, you now just treat it like a common cold, but I'm not sure if you still need to stay home if you get it and you haven't had your vaccines.

rosemole · 11/12/2024 07:45

Thousands of doctors are calling for the suspension of Covid 19 mRNA vaccine products. See here

thehopeaccord.org/

SweetBobby · 11/12/2024 07:51

Not a chance I'd be getting it.

Why would you want to get a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting the illness?

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 08:28

SweetBobby · 11/12/2024 07:51

Not a chance I'd be getting it.

Why would you want to get a vaccine that doesn't stop you getting the illness?

Because anyone can get Covid and the vaccine reduces the severity.

SweetBobby · 11/12/2024 09:26

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 08:28

Because anyone can get Covid and the vaccine reduces the severity.

Says who? They've lied and lied and lied about this so called vaccine and yet people are still desperate to believe the latest version of the story.

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 09:33

SweetBobby · 11/12/2024 09:26

Says who? They've lied and lied and lied about this so called vaccine and yet people are still desperate to believe the latest version of the story.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

John Hopkins are experts - I take information from organisations who are specialists in the field.

Who do you take information from?

SweetBobby · 11/12/2024 09:55

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 09:33

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

John Hopkins are experts - I take information from organisations who are specialists in the field.

Who do you take information from?

Ah yes, "trust the science". No thank you.

BibbityBobbityToo · 11/12/2024 09:58

Greybottle · 09/12/2024 14:01

If it reduced severity - how come I still needed paxlovid - the covid anti viral? I was so ill with covid in the summer time. The vaccine did sweet f*ck all. I was still floored.

It's up to you, maybe it did nothing, maybe it stopped you dying. It's your game of roulette to play.

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 10:04

SweetBobby · 11/12/2024 09:55

Ah yes, "trust the science". No thank you.

Who do you get your information from?

ItsAllAboutTheBass7 · 11/12/2024 10:15

Such a dangerous disease that Boris and his Co- muppets were partying all night in Downing street, hugging, dancing and snogging the night away whilst us mere mortals were locked in our homes and losing our jobs. Do I trust the Government? 🤣😂🤣 am I glad I didn't take onboard their advice and have 20 jabs? Hell Yes!

ItsAllAboutTheBass7 · 11/12/2024 10:19

In the height of Covid scaremongering I saw at least 50 medical staff outside our local major hospital on a lawned area choreographing tiktok dances for click bait. It really didn't depict what the media were showing on a 24/7 loop at all.

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 10:22

ItsAllAboutTheBass7 · 11/12/2024 10:19

In the height of Covid scaremongering I saw at least 50 medical staff outside our local major hospital on a lawned area choreographing tiktok dances for click bait. It really didn't depict what the media were showing on a 24/7 loop at all.

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Which hospital was this?

ItsAllAboutTheBass7 · 11/12/2024 10:24

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 10:22

Which hospital was this?

Royal Stoke.

BettyBardMacDonald · 11/12/2024 10:26

Greybottle · 09/12/2024 14:01

If it reduced severity - how come I still needed paxlovid - the covid anti viral? I was so ill with covid in the summer time. The vaccine did sweet f*ck all. I was still floored.

But you didn't die.

Don't you remember when the bodies were piling up?

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 11/12/2024 10:27

Parker231 · 11/12/2024 09:33

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine-what-you-need-to-know

John Hopkins are experts - I take information from organisations who are specialists in the field.

Who do you take information from?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67514356

“it is clear there were deep flaws in the way decisions were made and information provided during the pandemic.”

“He ( Patrick Vallence) said the scientists had been "wrong" to think they could apply measures such as restrictions on socialising short of a lockdown with precision to produce a manageable wave of Covid over the summer - as was the plan up to mid March”

“…because they focused solely on the consequences of doing something or not, there was no counter narrative of what those options would mean for the economy, education or wider wellbeing”
Yet it was painfully obvious to us ‘non experts’ even at the time!

“England's chief medical officer Prof Sir Chris Whitty told the inquiry he was more cautious about imposing restrictions than others on Sage, the government's scientific advisory body, because of the indirect harms they cause to mental health, deprivation, education and wellbeing”
Again, anyone with an ounce of common sense could see this would be the consequence.

“they were accused of not "following the science".
Sir Chris told the inquiry that phrase ended up becoming a "millstone around our necks".

The conclusion appears to be that the scientists couldn’t see that the impact on the economy would be massive, despite the health of a nation being entirely dependent on the health of the economy - you cannot separate the two.

Boris Johnson, Sir Chris Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance

How inquiry is exposing deep flaws in Covid decision-making

Evidence from top scientists suggests problems with the politics and science.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-67514356

BettyBardMacDonald · 11/12/2024 10:27

gamerchick · 09/12/2024 14:03

The vaccine was brutal for me this year. But I'd rather feel rough than risk COVID knocking me on my arse for weeks. Even if every fibre is my being wants to swerve it next year.

More so as the flu vaccine is none negotiable after having proper flu. I had to do proper flu before screwing my head on tight over the complacency of not getting the vaccine.

*I wish people would stop calling them side effects. They're not side effects, it's an immune response.

Exactly. A robust response is a good thing.

sleepwouldbenice · 11/12/2024 11:30

Negroany · 09/12/2024 15:06

I volunteered at vaccines centres, no-one wore hazmat suits.

I've had all the vaccines. No side effects at all. Had COVID once, fairly mildly.

I last had flu in 2018. Since then I've been getting the vaccinations yearly and not had it (fingers crossed).

Exactly the same as my experience ....

Plus

I do know one anti vaxxer friend, no health issues, late 40s, intensive care from covid, myocarditis. It being more likely from covid than the vaccine. Thankfully recovered.
The other anti vaxxer died after getting covid. Can't ask them if they regret it. Late 50s.
But, as we are quoting anecdotal examples instead of statistal, peer reviewed evidence, thought I would throw it in....
Thanks

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