COVID vaccine? Does it do anything?

[Greybottle]

I jumped at getting the COVID vaccines when they came out and I got all the vaccines that I was eligible for to date except for this year.

I got COVID in the summer time and I wasn't able to get the vaccine this winter. My GP recommended a 4 month wait.

It's just I got COVID twice. Once in 2022 and I had that bad too. I wasn't hospitalised but still I was ill with fever, body aches, headaches and coughs for over a week. I was rushed back to work prepaturely when I still wasn't 100% better.

I got COVID this summer too. I was floored with it.

A lot of people were floored with it this summer. Even though we got the COVID vaccines.

It's just I got a reminder text to book the vaccine today and I just don't know.

I am not anti vaccine but what is the point of the vaccine when youre still going to get exposed and become ill to this anyways?

I got flu in 2004 or 2005 and I was getting flu vaccine because of my work from about 2008 and I never had flue since 04/05. The flu vaccine works. But I am questioning the COVID vaccine? What is the point of going out of my way to travel to an establishment to get jabbed and sore for a few days and if I am exposed to COVID, I am likely still going to get it.

This is a really great thread and I wish this sort of nuanced discussion was more common.
It is very brave of them to open up the conversation about it. I hope they can get funding to continue this important work.

I can't get x to load properly.
What's the gist of the discussion please

It's 23 threads long!
Are you able to see this?
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1892692141358383503.html

yes, thank you.
So basically a discussion about long covid, vaccine injuries and how you would possibly ascertain how the person got it.
Will have a read when I have time

I read that the Covid vaccine saved 20 million lives. Based on computer modelling apparently.

But it seems that there is no real world evidence for these claims. If you look at the deaths per capita from Covid by country, there is absolutely no correlation between Covid death rates and the proportion of that population vaccinated against Covid.

Covid vaccines were rolled out in the UK in early 2021 after the most vulnerable had already died, with a large degree of existing natural immunity in the population, and once the virus had already mutated to a less harmful strain. So, given that, you would have expected less people to die from Covid in 2021 that in 2020 in any case.

In England and Wales there were 81,795 deaths from Covid in 2020 without a vaccine. In 2021 with most of the vulnerable vaccinated, there were 77,571, so a drop of just 4,224 deaths. Hardly a big drop and almost all of that can be attributed to milder strains, existing immunity, and less vulnerable people in the population.

So what can we say about the vaccines? They probably didn't do a great deal, and the claim of 20 million lives saved is preposterous, since there is seemingly no real world data to back this up.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(24)00179-6/fulltext

There have been detailed studies as to the number of lives saved - pretty amazing

Results of this study categorically show a reduction in indicators of disease severity in those who had received the vaccine, demonstrating that the harmful inflammatory reaction to COVID-19 is less severe in those who have been vaccinated, when compared with those who haven’t.
Professor Daniel O'Connor, Head of Bioinformatics at the Oxford Vaccine Group (OVG), led the study. He said: 'These results confirm the efficacy of vaccination and its pivotal role in reducing the harmful consequences associated with COVID-19. The results of our research highlight the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine's ability to modulate harmful responses to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, and therefore to reduce the severity of illness. The implications of these findings are far-reaching, offering evidence that is fundamental to future vaccine development and pandemic mitigation strategies. It also provides valuable guidance for policymakers and public health experts.'

I’m absolutely sure the motivation behind all this is an anti science agenda.
If another pandemic came along, there would be exactly the same response to vaccines.
So what would you prefer scientists to do? Just not bother? Make them all redundant? Let Trump let us drink bleach?
Should we all just not bother in the next pandemic - and let anyone vulnerable just die on the streets or in pain at home?
While all us healthy ones march on and kick them out our way?

I never understood why natural acquired immunity was willfully ignored
( well, I can guess. ££££)

Actually, ignoring the natural acquired immunity was a bit wrong to say as I remember there was a window of time where if you could prove you had antibodies you could travel abroad without a vaccine.
Can't remember when it was but we cheated and got lovely antibody status for the whole family and went to Spain 😁

How did you cheat 🙂

One of us had a cold so tested and it was covid so he sent off for the antibody blood test and did all 5 of us using his own blood prick. so we got a result of all 5 of us having the antibodies!
Saved the £700 a person to get our vaccine records altered which was the next step .

You seem to be boasting that you breached the system

yep . We were very happy with ourselves and had a lovely holiday 😁

@Mightymoog

Oh how smart you are!

I mean I think we should do away with all vaccines, medicines - maybe even hospitals.

It’s just so unfair on us. The ones with good strong healthy genes.

People should stop wasting their time and money on the vulnerable.

Any ideas on what do to with them when they start wasting our time?

Maybe a special camp? An island we could ship them off to??

Looks like someone got the previous posted banned? Do people who believe they have a strong argument really need to report others for a ban?

Anyway, I’m sorry but that study makes no allowances for the natural build up in population level immunity from a prior covid infection. It makes no allowance for the mutation of Covid to a far less severe disease (e.g. Omicron). And it takes no account that many of the vulnerable already died in the first wave of 2020 (meaning that the remaining population is less susceptible). It also does not consider that the treatment of Covid became hugely more successful as time progressed and more was known about how to treat patients successfully. It appears therefore, that the study has conveniently ignored all of the potential confounding factors.

The study also seems to be based on 'results against expected deaths'. Expected (predicted) deaths can be whatever you want them to be - i.e. totally unrealistic if you use the likes of Imperial Collage modelling for example. And if they were expecting the 2020 level of deaths to continue, well they just wouldn't have, as explained by all of the factors I listed above.

Real world data however shows no such correlation with the conclusions of this theoretical study, so at best we can describe this study as 'deeply misleading'. A junk study that ignores empirical data, and produced by industry insiders.

As ever there are lies, damn lies, and statistics!

What a bizarre set of ideas you've come up with.

it got removed?
ridiculous

How ridiculous - to believe someone got someone banned. It’s like the school ground.

Although so are the rest of your beliefs and conspirational ideas - ridiculous.
Mumsnet has terms and conditions.
You abide by them.
If not they remove posts.
So medical misinformation gets removed and far right tripe.

there was no medical misinformation posted.
Could I ask you which conspiracy theories I subscribe to .

Waiting for 5g, Bill gates, chips in the brain bs

oh dear, looks like it was indeed going to be Bill gates etc!

There is always one who thinks they know better that the experts!

well I don't think i was the only one!
make up ridiculous rules and people will find a way around them.
made the holiday even better knowing we were close to missing out.

The rules were for the greater good of the population as a whole and not in place to prevent your family having a holiday.

I can only assume you had no idea of what was happening in the NHS and ICU’s?