COVID vaccine? Does it do anything?

[Greybottle]

I jumped at getting the COVID vaccines when they came out and I got all the vaccines that I was eligible for to date except for this year.

I got COVID in the summer time and I wasn't able to get the vaccine this winter. My GP recommended a 4 month wait.

It's just I got COVID twice. Once in 2022 and I had that bad too. I wasn't hospitalised but still I was ill with fever, body aches, headaches and coughs for over a week. I was rushed back to work prepaturely when I still wasn't 100% better.

I got COVID this summer too. I was floored with it.

A lot of people were floored with it this summer. Even though we got the COVID vaccines.

It's just I got a reminder text to book the vaccine today and I just don't know.

I am not anti vaccine but what is the point of the vaccine when youre still going to get exposed and become ill to this anyways?

I got flu in 2004 or 2005 and I was getting flu vaccine because of my work from about 2008 and I never had flue since 04/05. The flu vaccine works. But I am questioning the COVID vaccine? What is the point of going out of my way to travel to an establishment to get jabbed and sore for a few days and if I am exposed to COVID, I am likely still going to get it.

no, obese or over 75's

I don't think people take into account that all pandemics become endemic after two years and are not so deadly. That is why previous pandemics (Spanish flu, Hong Kong flu in 57, other pandemics in 1968) are not around but morphed into colds/flu despite there being no vaccines for those. At the start of covid I assumed that was what would happen this time and after two years hardly anyone would be at risk. By the time most people were vaccinated (not my family), we were at that stage but drug companies had seen an opportunity to make tons of money and the reduction in deaths etc was assigned to the drugs rather than something which would have happened anyway.
Re weight loss injections it is much more dangerous to be obese than covid was for most people. Additionally they have been used for diabetics for years so tested unlike the mrna vaccines.

Because the more a virus circulates in the population, the more our immune systems learn to recognise it. Don’t forget, when European explorers and settlers first landed in the New World they carried and introduced diseases that the existing native populations hadn’t been exposed to, resulting in a high number of deaths from viruses such as the common cold. Eventually, a natural resistance evolves.

Sadly, and I don’t mean this to sound as callous as it will come across, when Covid arrived in the west, we had a lot of ‘dry kindling’ in the population as we had had several years of very low flu epidemics, hence the initially high numbers of victims. I think sometimes we forget just what a killer flu is. I’ve had it twice in my life when I was fit and well and it completely floored me. I could barely crawl to the toilet and didn’t eat and barely drank for days. It took me weeks to recover fully. If we tested for flu as diligently as we did for Covid, I think people would be shocked just how many fatalities it causes.

I caught Covid very early on. The only reason I even knew was I lost my sense of taste and had a runny nose, so very mild. I had the vaccine when it was offered and felt dreadful, not dissimilar to a bout of flu. I was extremely unwell and more concerningly 10 days after, and 3 years after menopause, I experienced severe PMS symptoms; painful breasts and increased discharge followed by a heavy period which my GP eventually put down to an immune response to the vaccine. I’m certainly not anti vax, but would never have it again.

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas do you have the flu jab?

@Notmoog

you sound really pleasant and not at all irrationally nasty.

Bit hypocritical saying this to someone else considering your tone deaf reply to someone earlier saying they had lost friends to covid, no? Didn't even bother to include a sorry or acknowledge their loved ones died. Just all about point scoring and 'winning'. Nice.

I had 2 Covid jabs. Then I developed severe psoriasis as a result. I’ve only just got it under control. I wouldn’t wish this disease on my worst enemy.

The TikTok dances were cognitive dissonance.

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The thing is you don't know that. Maybe you were "floored" by covid, rather than being in the hospital on life support, because you'd had the vaccine. Right from the beginning of this virus it's been clear that different people react differently for know apparent reason. Prior to any vaccines being available 4 people of similar age, health and lifestyle could have covid

1. one has a mild cold
2. one is in bed with flu symptoms and then is tired and achy for months
3. one is in ICU on a ventilator for a couple of days, but then is back to normal within a month
4. one dies

While risk factors do come into play, you can't be sure you'd be without the vaccine, so you've no idea how much it does. You say the vaccine did "sweet f*ck all", but if it took you from 4 to 2, it made more difference to the rest of your life than anything else probably ever has or will.

Absolutely not. Nor would I have PPIs or statins.

The stats. were very very clear that there were risk groups ( elderly, obese and some underlying conditions) and although there will always be outliers, the vast majority of the population other than that would be fine.
perfectly healthy, non obese 30 year olds were most certainly not over running ICU and the number who died is miniscule

@crumblingschools
can I ask why you think there would be a correlation between people who don't want the covid vaccines and people who take weight loss injection?
I'm failing to see the link

Well that’s good, not quite sure what your point is though, other people couldn’t have had side effects, because you haven’t?

Five or six years ago my adult child (who I live with, along with their partner) got flu, as did their partner. I didn't. I got what felt like a heavy cold which ended (as mine always do) with a chest infection because I've got copd and asthma.

Id had my flu jab, they hadnt. Since then my child gets theirs free on NHS as they are my primary carer, and their partner pays for theirs.

Not scientific only anecdotal.

Similarly, they both had covid. luckily I was out of the country for a month so they recovered before I got home, but both said it felt more our a heavy cold. They'd both had all their covid jabs.

Again, anecdotal, not scientific.

What science does tell us is that you may not get 100% protection from having these vaccines, but you do get some protection from some variation of some viruses (is that the plural of virus? Now I could go on about how virus is a plural anyway so... But I'll refrain).

no we're not. which was a major factor in the decision not to have the injections and as it has the teeniest effect on transmission I'm not sure why people are still so angry at the people who don't want it

Thank you for your reply. I always had faith in my flu vaccines that I get yearly. I am just disappointed with the covid vaccines. I got the vaccines and the boosters and I got a booster last winter. I would be due a booster now but I am so apprehensive about it because I was sick in the summer time and it's such a strange virus. I knew so many people who fell down with this virus and got it bad in the summer time. It was awful. I was one of the lucky ones. I did not have GI symptoms whereas others did but I was still bad-ish and needed paxlovid.

I am just so disheartened, that's all.

I went to check online at my GP practice but there's no slots available for December. That is just another disappointment. I don't want to travel for vaccine.

Have you tried booking at NHS online, the NHS app, or calling 119, @Greybottle?

Anecdotal again. My late DF, myself, and my exDH were/are all up to date with vaccinations. My DF never had covid, despite living in an apartment attached to a care home where people often had covid, including people he sat beside while having dinner. I've never had covid, despite working with people who had it, and my exDH only had it once - very mildly. None of us ever had side effects from the vaccination - in fact the only vaccination I have had side effects from was my first shingles one.

So, I guess we cancel each other out.

So, overall what I’m getting from these posts is; it’s actually hard to prove the efficacy of the covid vaccine.

There’s those who had the jab, and still got a bad dose.

There’s those who had the jab, and escaped infection completely.

There’s those that never had the jab, and ended up in ICU.

There’s those that never had the jab, and also escaped infection completely.

Further combined and somewhat complicated with natural immunity building in the population and those most vulnerable succumbing in the first wave.

For a fair scientific experiment there has to be a ‘control group’

The control group acts as a baseline for comparison to the experimental group, which receives the treatment being tested. This allows researchers to determine if the treatment had an effect.

Because of the need to produce a vaccine as quickly as possible in order to return public confidence and prevent world economies going into freefall, combined with the ethics of deliberately exposing subjects to an infection that might potentially kill them - which was done in the past to test potency - I personally think it’s very hard to categorically state that the vaccine works. There’s far too many variants.

That’s called a side effect, but I would have expected you to know that as you have worked in drug development

And you know how?