Why is it not considered necessary to vaccinate now?

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Possibly a stupid question.

I just read on another thread about how the vaccine helped people to catch it in a more ' manageable way'. But presumably the vaccines aren't still working , so what has changed?

I am 3 weeks into a horrendous bout of Covid. I really wish I could at at least have paid for a booster. There is no way I could have gone in to work, I have managed an hour or two some days. So surely the economy is going to be impacted if we all end up getting this ill a couple of times a year?

Thanks for confirming this. The more people who are put off both jabs by scaremongering then more people won’t get the jabs. This is fine and their choice but means if they mix with more vulnerable people they can pass on covid and or flu.

I know 2 retired people got Covid recently and one who has an immune compromised son and wasn’t going to vaccinate or jab recently until she got Covid last month and got it badly with nasty side effects. Now she’s masking and getting jabs as she thought she got covid on train where she wasn’t masking.

The vaccine does not prevent transmission.

No but helps to lessen the symptoms and keep the majority of people out of hospital. Unfortunately two of my friends caught Covid just before the vaccine rollout - they died. Neither had any underlying health conditions.

The vaccine does not necessarily help to lessen the symptoms. There is no test that wil do that - can you vaccinate someone and then unvaccinate them? I've had no vaccines and we all had Covid last week. I just felt shivery for a few hours. We all worked as usual.

Information from CDC states that having the vaccine lessens your risk of severe disease that could require hospitalization.

The vaccinated seem to have a huge myocarditis risk. I know 9 people with sudden heart problems, all under 50.

How many of them have also had covid at some point?

Covid as a disease brings considerably higher risk of myocarditis than the vaccination

Information for healthcare professionals on myocarditis and pericarditis following COVID-19 vaccination - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

For the disease: "It is now recognised that COVID-19 infection can lead to myocarditis or pericarditis and in one retrospective study, 5% of patients developed new onset myocarditis and 1.5% pericarditis within a 6 month period following COVID-19 infection"

For vaccination: "In one of the largest studies published to date on the Israeli experience, over 2 million individuals were assessed. The estimated incidence of myocarditis was 2 per 100,000 individuals, with the highest reported rate in males aged 16 to 29"

It’s a known risk for sure. For every million vaccine doses there are 10 cases of myocarditis and 6 pericarditis according to the BHF. It would seem that your circle is a statistical anomaly if the effects have been medically judged as due to a Covid vaccine.

It’s all anecdotal - I don’t know anyone who has had side effects other than a couple of days with a sore arm.

The risk of myocarditis after COVID is higher than after the vaccine.

The fact you claim to know nine people with this very rare side effect is extremely unusual.

I think it is exceedingly unlikely that all these (claimed) episodes have been confirmed by a doctor as being related to the vaccine.

There are a great many vaccine tales told.

For me the vaccine side effects were worse than COVID so I won't be taking it again unless we are in a crisis or it becomes highly recommended.

I aboslutely respect your individual right to choose with regards to your own health, but this is an unscientific way to approach it, because the risk of a bad COVID response remains much higher than the risk of a bad vaccine response.

Can you show me the stats?
I know many more people who had bad side effects than who were hopsitalised for Covid.

That’s for you though. My best friend says she got bad side effects after her last flu jab so refuses to have it now.

Which is fair enough if she's not particularly vulnerable to flu isn't it?
If your doctor recommends it, it's a different matter, but neither my government nor my GP are recommending a Covid vaccine to me at the moment, so taking the side effects into account I'm not inclined to take another one.

As I said, if we have another crisis I will reconsider.

So, so unlikely. And considering your past posting history, much more so.

My friend is a stroke survivor and on medication and her DM who she lives with has a heart condition and is elderly. My friend has a therapist give her Pilates lessons and she’s an anti vaxxer so basically quite susceptible to other theories about vaccinating. I think her doctor would recommend she takes both vaccines.

As you rightly say everyone’s needs are different re vaccinating.

It’s a moot point if you’re not being offered it then isn’t it?

there’s no option to have it if your health status doesn’t put you in a group recommended to have it. There aren’t any stocks available privately as far as I’m aware.

Between 25 November 2023 and 1 December 2023,2,064 went into hospital with coronavirus. This shows an increase of 10.0% compared to the previous 7 days.
There were 2,370 patients in hospital with coronavirus on 1 December 2023.

Figures are low now compared to the height of the pandemic when any available hospital ward was converted to a Covid ward.

"the risk of a bad COVID response remains much higher than the risk of a bad vaccine response."

I asked for the stats on this and no response. I can't believe it's true. Only a minority of people are hospitalised for Covid while having vaccine side effects seems to be the norm rather than a rarity.

"Between 25 November 2023 and 1 December 2023,2,064 went into hospital with coronavirus. This shows an increase of 10.0% compared to the previous 7 days.
There were 2,370 patients in hospital with coronavirus on 1 December 2023."

What percentage is this of the people who get Covid?

Also, for the side effects, while there was a website to report them or people could report to their GP most probably didn't. I told my GP about mine, but I'm not convinced they're recorded anywhere.

Were they hospitalised for these side effects?

I don’t know anyone with a vaccine side effect other than a sore arm (let alone needing hospital care) but know a small number hospitalised with Covid - two of whom died. During the pandemic huge numbers were hospitalised with Covid.

"Were they hospitalised for these side effects?"

I know of two people who were, but most weren't, no. By bad side effects I didn't necessarily mean being hospitalised. In my own case, for example, I didn't have full use of my left arm for about 9 months. I consider that a bad side effects even though I wasn't hospitalised for it.