Why is it not considered necessary to vaccinate now?

Nousernamesleftatall · 04/11/2023 09:54

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TheFlis · 04/11/2023 09:55

But most people don’t get that ill. I know 4 people who have had Covid recently, and none of them had symptoms more serious than a mild cold.

TeenLifeMum · 04/11/2023 09:56

They are still vaccinating older and vulnerable people plus front line nhs - it’s moved to being the same roll out at the flu vaccine.

MissIndecisive2023 · 04/11/2023 09:57

Money, surely? Funding millions of people to get vaccinated costs a lot of money. Given that the government are likely (I hope!) out at the next election, the impact of long term sickness on the economy will be the next government's problem. Short sighted thinking, as usual.

(But totally get your point about being able to buy a vaccine if you want one, I agree)

DarkForces · 04/11/2023 09:57

The at risk population is getting boosted to reduce risks of hospitalisation/death. Unfortunately it probably won't stop you getting a nasty dose.

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MissIndecisive2023 · 04/11/2023 09:57

Money, surely? Funding millions of people to get vaccinated costs a lot of money. Given that the government are likely (I hope!) out at the next election, the impact of long term sickness on the economy will be the next government's problem. Short sighted thinking, as usual.

(But totally get your point about being able to buy a vaccine if you want one, I agree)

It's exactly the same policy under Welsh Labour so no reason to believe anyone except at risk groups will get covid vaccines from now on whoever is in charge

TheShellBeach · 04/11/2023 10:01

DH and I are getting another booster along with our flu jabs.

I expect it's because we're old

ErrolTheDragon · 04/11/2023 10:03

Cost-benefit analysis presumably p, as has to be the case when there isn't a bottomless supply of money for healthcare. If you want free vaccines for all for something that's probably not going to be too bad now, what nhs service do you want to cut?

Topseyt123 · 04/11/2023 10:12

I got mine in early October along with my flu vaccine.

I think it is now slotted in with the yearly round of flu vaccines for vulnerable people.

shoeawsome · 04/11/2023 10:21

I'm asthmatic so had my covid booster along with my flu jab!

I think it's very short sighted of the Government not to vaccinate the over 50's for flu & covid!

The NHS is trying to catch up on waiting lists , Govt is concerned about productivity, both those things could be helped by vaccinating all over 50's but 🤷‍♀️

TLDRfuckers · 04/11/2023 10:22

the Pharma companies have now made their billions from it and many people have woken up to it now.

Augustus40 · 04/11/2023 10:38

I am 59 but not vulnerable ref health. It did not stop my local surgery texting me to get a booster. I never have had covi d ever and do not need any more boosters. I rarely catch a cold and won't be having any flu jab either. I have no idea why my surgery kept texting me. Perhaps they had surplus vaccines. I have blood pressure meds so wonder if that was why.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/11/2023 10:40

I think it is now slotted in with the yearly round of flu vaccines for vulnerable people.

Yes, DH had one in each arm a few weeks ago.

Parker231 · 04/11/2023 10:42

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As the vast majority of the uk are vaccinated, it stands to reason that anyone dying (of anything) is likely to have been vaccinated.
Covid still can be a serious illness with people needing to take time off school/work.

Totaly · 04/11/2023 10:42

think it is now slotted in with the yearly round of flu vaccines for vulnerable people

Not all asthmatics are offered it.

I have no idea why my surgery kept texting me

They get paid £25 per shot - it’s a nice money earner.

dragonpen · 04/11/2023 10:44

Augustus40 · 04/11/2023 10:38

I am 59 but not vulnerable ref health. It did not stop my local surgery texting me to get a booster. I never have had covi d ever and do not need any more boosters. I rarely catch a cold and won't be having any flu jab either. I have no idea why my surgery kept texting me. Perhaps they had surplus vaccines. I have blood pressure meds so wonder if that was why.

Covid is a vascular disease, not just a respiratory one, so BP could well have been relevant to that decision.

dragonpen · 04/11/2023 10:46

Movinghouseatlast · 04/11/2023 09:52

Possibly a stupid question.

I just read on another thread about how the vaccine helped people to catch it in a more ' manageable way'. But presumably the vaccines aren't still working , so what has changed?

I am 3 weeks into a horrendous bout of Covid. I really wish I could at at least have paid for a booster. There is no way I could have gone in to work, I have managed an hour or two some days. So surely the economy is going to be impacted if we all end up getting this ill a couple of times a year?

I think the government have authorised companies offering private covid boosters, but they're not expected to actually be available until 2024.

Augustus40 · 04/11/2023 10:48

dragonpen · 04/11/2023 10:44

Covid is a vascular disease, not just a respiratory one, so BP could well have been relevant to that decision.

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Thanks for clearing this up.

gotomomo · 04/11/2023 10:51

The vaccine helped build immunity in a population that hadn't been exposed to this novel virus. Nearly 4 years on most people have had multiple vaccines plus been exposed to the virus many times whether or not they actually got symptoms, each exposure "tops up" our immunity including variants. Covid mutates frequently so we continue to catch it but this partial immunity means mostly it's mild now.

The reason colds aren't serious is due to the same reason, every now and again a cold virus evades or immune system and we get a bit sicker, but mostly they are an annoyance.

I had covid last week, it was a mild cold like virus, I know quite a few others of varying ages and it is mild - by mild it doesn't mean you don't feel rough, feel tired etc but mild means you recover without medical intervention with just over the counter medications like paracetamol or strepsils. I'm still feeling a bit tired I suppose but it's no different to other seasonal viruses, and admittedly I was vaccinated.

CameleonAreFightingBack · 04/11/2023 10:56

Nothing has changed.

Its just they calculated it’s cheaper to look after young people in hospital than to vaccinate all of them.
Never mind some will die as a result
Never mind some will develop LC, heart attacks etc etc…

The level of excess death is still very high.
Its very high in young people, not in older ones….

But … money….

Note that other countries havE NOT taken this position and everyone can be vaccinated.

plumtreebroke · 04/11/2023 10:58

I am eligible and would like to get it, but my GP is not doing them and the nearest pharmacy that is doing them is miles away. I can easily walk into the nearest town, but no one is doing them there according to the NHS web site. I don't know what you would do if you were infirm, for me it's just a niggle that I will have to figure out exactly where this place is and (probably) get someone to drive me, just in case I get a reaction, although I've been fine after the others.

Netcam · 04/11/2023 10:59

shoeawsome · 04/11/2023 10:21

I'm asthmatic so had my covid booster along with my flu jab!

I think it's very short sighted of the Government not to vaccinate the over 50's for flu & covid!

The NHS is trying to catch up on waiting lists , Govt is concerned about productivity, both those things could be helped by vaccinating all over 50's but 🤷‍♀️

Agreed, I had it about 6 weeks ago and could barely get out of bed for the first week. Would happily pay for an annual vaccine if I could. With 2 teenagers it is impossible to avoid it, mine have given us all Covid twice this year.

ChickenSoupAndLokshen · 04/11/2023 10:59

gotomomo · 04/11/2023 10:51

The vaccine helped build immunity in a population that hadn't been exposed to this novel virus. Nearly 4 years on most people have had multiple vaccines plus been exposed to the virus many times whether or not they actually got symptoms, each exposure "tops up" our immunity including variants. Covid mutates frequently so we continue to catch it but this partial immunity means mostly it's mild now.

The reason colds aren't serious is due to the same reason, every now and again a cold virus evades or immune system and we get a bit sicker, but mostly they are an annoyance.

I had covid last week, it was a mild cold like virus, I know quite a few others of varying ages and it is mild - by mild it doesn't mean you don't feel rough, feel tired etc but mild means you recover without medical intervention with just over the counter medications like paracetamol or strepsils. I'm still feeling a bit tired I suppose but it's no different to other seasonal viruses, and admittedly I was vaccinated.

This.

CameleonAreFightingBack · 04/11/2023 11:01

@gotomomo , can I ask why if it’s that mild, the level of excess death is so high? 24.000 people this year alone.

Why do you think it’s happening?
Why are young people dying when they are not suppose to? Like dying of heart attack in their 30s which is extremely rare.

The virus is not milder.
Some people, despite what you seem to think, haven’t caught covid.
You take a huge risk on your health each time you get covid (not talking about death here btw)
And the fact there are many variants means we simply can’t get ‘immunised’ just like having had the flu one year doesn’t protect you the following year - with its new variant.

parietal · 04/11/2023 11:02

Flu vaccines are offered to the old and vulnerable because they are most likely to be hospitalised by flu. Similarly, covid vaccines are targeted to the old and vulnerable who are most at risk. Epidemiologists run models to work out who should be vaccinated to save lives and protect the NHS.

So if you are offered the vaccine, do get it.