Why is it not considered necessary to vaccinate now?

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Possibly a stupid question.

I just read on another thread about how the vaccine helped people to catch it in a more ' manageable way'. But presumably the vaccines aren't still working , so what has changed?

I am 3 weeks into a horrendous bout of Covid. I really wish I could at at least have paid for a booster. There is no way I could have gone in to work, I have managed an hour or two some days. So surely the economy is going to be impacted if we all end up getting this ill a couple of times a year?

MONEY

they have enough vaccine for over 50s “incase the NHS gets overwhelmed” (as if it’s not already).
But the JCVI decided it’s too expensive to administer it at this point.
Fucking idiots.

Lots of other countries you can get a booster if you want one (heck - you can get your 6mo + vax too).

If you want a booster go get one - uptake is low.

Covid itself has changed, hasn't it?

It’s not though - is it.
Because the flu jab offer is to more people and it’s to all children over 2 (and younger if vulnerable).
And you can buy it privately.
Loads of unis/businesses provide a free flu jab to their employees.

Meanwhile covid causes lots of long term issues and is literally decimating the workforce ALL year around. Whereas flu is for a few weeks in winter.
(then they say between Nov and Jan flu killed more people than covid - completely ignoring that covid kills more people per calendar year because it’s around all year unlike flu.)

FFS. This is so tiresome. Have most people lost the ability to think while simultaneously becoming extremely obnoxious and opinionated?

A lot of ‘experts’ on here. Do they not remember all the bodies piling up before they had produced the vaccinations?

There is and always has been a difference between dying with COVID and dying of COVID. Similarly many men die with Prostate cancer (I.e. cancer was present but it wasn't the cause of death).

DH and I are as up to date as we can be with our Vx for flu and COVID and whilst we believe we caught COVID in March (even though we had all the symptoms, our old test kits were showing negative on our tests), we recovered quickly and I hate to think how extreme our symptoms would have been if we hadn't been vaccinated.

It's impossible to generalise that "the vaccine doesn't work" as a blanket statement, given that many countries around the world now have COVID under control as a direct consequence of national vaccination programmes

This is Simpsons paradox and not a good argument- shows a real bad knowledge of stats and common sense.

If you have a population of 100 people and 90 are vaccinated. 5 in the unvax group die but 10 in the vax group dies. It looks like more people in the vax group die but that’s because it’s a bigger group.
You got 5/10 (1/2) chance of dying in unvax but a 10/90 (1/9) chance if vax.

Obviously they are just made up numbers but the risk is much lower in real life because there are millions of people vaccinated.

This stuff was bought to the market in under 6 months. You can’t get a dog food to market in that time

Global pharma already had significant expertise in vaccinations, they weren't starting from scratch. They already had a head start in modifying the Vx for immunisation against COVID 19

Please rest rest rest….don’t try and go back to anything too soon. including work.
I know it’s tricky but it’s one way to reduce long covid risk.

I ignored the most recent offer to get vaccinated, partly because a few NHS friends have implied that the virus now mutates so often that a vaccine's efficacy is so short lived as to be negligible.

But... I got Covid recently and it was monstrous. Agonising muscle and bone pains that painkillers wouldn't touch, keeping me up all night for nights in a row. Sweating so much I could wring out my Pjs into the bath, D&V, spotty rash all over my scalp and chest, dizziness. I couldn't walk as far as the front path for about a week. The last time I felt that ill was full blown flu about 12 years ago. I am being very cautious about getting over it so as not to trigger long Covid. If I'm offered the vaccine again, I'll take it.

Exactly. @Nousernamesleftatall that is misleading anti vaxxer information.

Older and vulnerable people are still getting the boosters. It's largely a cost reason.

You probably could get one if you paid privately?

You can't purchase C19 Vx privately at the moment but I expect there will come a time when you can go down to your local Boots and get it with the annual flu Vx.

Absolutely

I understood that everyone was encouraged to be vaccinated at the height of the pandemic because that many people being ill at once is a huge strain on healthcare services meaning that whatever you're ill with, you run the risk of not being able to access adequate care, which is very dangerous.

Now that we are not officially in epidemic status, there is less need to bring down the numbers as the numbers are no longer overwhelming. However it is still being offered to those who are at particularly high risk.

Slightly off topic, but on Friday I had to go to our local hospital because a family member was in A and E. Nobody was wearing a mask. I was amazed! Why are people not wearing them in hospital , it's full of vulnerable people?!

I would pay for it if I could.

I've just had Covid for the first time, tested positive 2 weeks ago and still feel rough, spent the last 2 weeks feeling like my body is giving up, so tired, achy, sore, brain slow and dim, coughing, fevers. Now I'm left with the cough and fatigue.

It was given emergency approval as we were in a worldwide pandemic. It went through a proper testing process and had been developed over a number of years.

While the three phases of vaccine clinical trials are normally performed one at a time, they overlapped during development of the Covid vaccines to speed up the process so the vaccines could be used as quickly as possible to help fight the pandemic. The trials showed no serious safety concerns within eight weeks following vaccination, which is significant as it is unusual for adverse reactions to vaccines to occur after that period of time. Clinical trials for Covid vaccines have involved tens of thousands of volunteers of different ages, races and ethnicities.

DH worked on Covid wards and saw daily the battle to keep alive those badly affected by Covid.

@IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism it wasn't the covid that killed her because she was on end of life care leading up to her death - she had been for a good week or so before she passed away. It was only the very last swab that came back positive - all others were negative.
Like others have said there is a massive difference between someone dying from covid and someone dying with covid. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work that out.

It's worth asking at your local pharmacy if you can have a booster even if not eligible. Like most years my employer arranged for a pharmacist to come and give flu vaccines to those of us that wanted one. This year we were also all able to have a covid booster if we wished to regardless of eligibility/age.

I haven't read the whole thread because I despair of the utter bollocks that half the posters are coming up with still. But people do not die OF Covid. They die WITH Covid, which is an entirely different thing. If you are 92, have a heart attack, and also happen to have Covid, then you have died "with Covid" and that is registered on your death certificate. It does not mean that Covid killed you. It may, or may not, have been a contributory factor. You might be 92, have a heart attack, and also have flu / or a cold - that won't be mentioned because we don't routinely test for such things, even though you would be just as vulnerable to either of those things being a contributory factor.

Germany's autumn booster campaign for the vulnerable started in September - there's a difference between destroying good vaccine stock and that which has gone out of date!!

I am still waiting for evidence of this astounding claim as I posted above. Numbers, ages, vaccination status?

Deaths are still high
https://www.bmj.com/content/383/bmj.p2371

Deaths by vaccination status
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween1april2021and31may2023

A lay explanation
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/why-covid-19-deaths-among-vaccinated-show-boosters-matter