In 2021 Fauci said - 'Only very very rarely would vaccinated people get infected...

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...and if they did, they wouldn't get sick, and they wouldn't even know they had it'

America calls this man "The Science" and every word he uttered back then and now, people take as absolute fact and truth.

On basis of his statement above, unvaccinated people were torn apart, shamed, demonised etc

Why wasn't all that shit he said classed as misinformation considering it wasn't true? Why won't he ever get de-platformed, or censored.

Why would a man of his expertise say things that aren't accurate? If he can openly spread false information such as the above, what else has he misled the world about since 2021 until now that heavily impacted peoples lives?

I think he deserves everyone an explanation (that was what we knew at the time bullsh*t) and an apology. Any one else agree?

Not cherry picked. This was the last time that the NSW government released it's hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status, so the last available data. I wonder why they stopped releasing it? Perhaps the unfavourable numbers for the vaccinated on Page 4?

Perhaps the unfavourable numbers for the vaccinated on Page 4?

Could you think of any reason why using raw figures is not meaningful?

Or what differences there might be in someone who is vaccinated versus someone who is not, in Dec 2022?

I am baffled this level of confusion is still happening, when these trends have been observed for the last 2 years have been explained over and over again.

The UKHSA data was showing the same here in the UK last year. Cases per 100,000 people in the vaccinated were becoming a lot higher than in the un-vaccinated per 100,000. Again when the unfavourable numbers were noticed, they first added a disclaimer to the data saying that 'the numbers could not be used to estimate vaccine efficacy' followed a few weeks later by stopping publishing this data at all. I wonder why?

The raw figures do not lie. And they clearly show that outcomes for the vaccinated are worse than for the un-vaccinated. Please don't try to spin it.

I explained this in my previous post (as did many other posters at the time)

Consider why you think you have stumbled upon something ("OMG the vaccines are causing COVID!") that the entire medical and scientific community has not noticed.

I wonder why?
You got me - it's all a big plot, which somehow tens of thousands of experts have been persuaded to join in on and cover up.

If you don't want to be vaccinated, don't be. Personally, I will be getting a booster in the autumn if offered.

Why did they stop releasing the data then?

Why did who stop releasing what data? You seem to be pulling numbers from all sorts of countries for all sorts of time periods.

Most countries have scaled back various monitoring programmes for COVID & the vaccine programmes. It's not a huge conspiracy (though some public health experts will say it's an attempt to pretend COVID is no longer an issue).

Biochemist, just address the data I presented. What does it tell you about the efficacy of the vaccines in Australia?

I've already told you - it shows higher raw numbers of vaccinated people were admitted to hospital, admitted to the ICU and died in Dec 2022

This is not suprising given the percentage of people vaccinated in Australia, or the demographic split between who is more likely to be vaccinated than not.

This does not allows you to infer causality (i.e., "tell you about vaccine efficacy")

As I said previously - if at this point in the pandemic, you are still misunderstanding this despite all explainations than you're pretty far down the rabbit hole!

You are correct, however the UKHSA info was even more specific since it divided the data into age categories (10 year bands). We all know that vaccine uptake is more in the older people. Surprise surprise, even in each age category, the un-vaccinated fared better than the vaccinated in terms of case numbers and hospitalisation. Let me search for this UK data from last year and I will post it.

So it disproves your theory. At the very least, being kind, the best you could say about the vaccine, even if there was some benefit, is that it is certainly not the big saviour we have been told it is. In fact the data shows simply that it is pretty shlt!

Actually we know it's shltter than shlt since vaccinated numbers are overestimated in the UK which skews the figures to make them seem more favourable. The real figure for unvaccinated is somewhere between 20 and 30%

Besides the fact that this is obviously bullshit, it also makes no sense @AnnaDablam

If people were reported as vaccinated when they were actually unvaccinated, vaccine efficacy would appear to worse than it is, not better.

Don't get vaccinated if you don't want to, no need to spam a parenting forum with nonsense.

‘shltter than shlt’ - your scientific and academic credentials are shining through. I can see why you feel uniquely qualified to share your thoughts on public health data during a crisis. The Nobel Prize committee will be calling shortly.

@AnnaDablam

Secondly, looking at the official government data from NSW in Australia is interesting. Page 4 details hospital admissions and deaths by vaccination status.

It isn't interesting, but logical (to most people, at least).

1. At this stage of the pandemic in Australia, the majority of deaths are in the elderly.
2. Classed as vulnerable, this group has had are the most vaccinations.
3. Most people in the country have been vaccinated at least once.
4. Covid mutates.

1. The majority of deaths have ALWAYS been in the most elderly population with people under the age of 70 at VERY low risk from Covid, unless they have severe underlying health conditions or are obese etc. The average age of death from/with Covid is higher than the average UK life expectancy as a result.

1. Then if the vulnerable are indeed in hospital and dying then I think we can agree that the vaccine has not done a very good job has it? It also opens up the whole 'died from', or 'died with' debate since as we know, anyone who died within 28 days of a positive C-19 test was classed as a Covid death in the data, whether indeed they died of Covid, or something else much more common.

1. Most people, but this has been frequently overestimated. See here for a possible explanation:

ONS data & vaccination status

1. It does indeed mutate, and the vaccines are always playing catchup and at best are probably 6-9 months behind at the point they get administered. Which almost makes them redundant by the time they arrive.

1. And all of the above ignore that for many, there can be risk, occasionally fatal, in taking the vaccine itself.

@AnnaDablam

I thought we were discussing Australian data. Anyway, I did consider replying to your points, but you seem at least a year or two behind with your conspiracy theories and we've been through all this before. So many times. I really couldn't be bothered going through it again with someone who won't take it in anyway. Best of luck.

We were discussing Australian data but no one can seemingly accept the data at face value without adding their own bias and spin to it, or reasons why their interpretation of the raw data means that the raw data cannot be relied upon.

Even being favourable towards the vaccines, the best that can be interpreted from the raw data is that the vaccines did not make a great deal of difference in the grand scheme of things.

This is absolutely bonkers - @AnnaDablam you don't respond to evidence based responses to your fake claims, you simply swerve onto the next one.

As I said before, don't get vaccinated if you don't want to, but no need to spam a parenting forum with anti-vaccine fake claims, copied and pasted from places like bitchute.

Well the most recent Twitter files drop demonstrates that fauci was a liar. Under oath.
There is little doubt there is collusion that the general public will unlikely find about.

What did Dr Fauci lie about?

He's been accused of lying under oath to Congress about funding gain of function in the Wuhan labs. Not sure who by but there were a lot of tweets earlier this week following on from Elon Musks "prosecute Fauci" tweet.