In 2021 Fauci said - 'Only very very rarely would vaccinated people get infected...

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...and if they did, they wouldn't get sick, and they wouldn't even know they had it'

America calls this man "The Science" and every word he uttered back then and now, people take as absolute fact and truth.

On basis of his statement above, unvaccinated people were torn apart, shamed, demonised etc

Why wasn't all that shit he said classed as misinformation considering it wasn't true? Why won't he ever get de-platformed, or censored.

Why would a man of his expertise say things that aren't accurate? If he can openly spread false information such as the above, what else has he misled the world about since 2021 until now that heavily impacted peoples lives?

I think he deserves everyone an explanation (that was what we knew at the time bullsh*t) and an apology. Any one else agree?

Meant to quote you before saying this

I find there's a lot of anti vaxxers who think it's a plot to reduce population.

I had the vaccine btw, being anti vax mandate doesn't make a person anti vax

some might say I had the vax and "got on with it" whatever "it" is.

I never felt ashamed.

Twice my vaccinated husband got covid (tested via work), didn't tell me, slept in bed with me.

I had no symptoms at all. Not had a cold for three years.

So I stand by my decision not to use any jabs.

*I'm not sure what your point is. The overpopulated hell hole in which I live contributes to my negativity about the compulsory vaccination in my job? Is that what you're saying? They are two separate issues.
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No I've no idea if it contributes.

Just I've noticed that anti covid vaccine people ( not all of course ) can often be very negative about life generally.

I can understand your negativity if you live in a "hell hole".

I had the vaccine btw, being anti vax mandate doesn't make a person anti vax

of course

Many so called anti vaxers aren't actually anti vaxers at all. It's an ignorant description delivered by a certain sort of person.

Tbh these threads are full of ignorance ( often masked as 'knowledge')

They sure are. A common theme these days...

@EmmaEmerald

Many people lost their jobs
if you can't see that a vaccine mandate is problematic, then can we please hve forced sterilisation in this overpopulated hellhole? That would benefit everyone, just like a vax mandate.

I'm really not following your logic here, if there is any. Are you attempting to compare "forced sterilisation" - a brand-new policy absolutely zero people are attempting to introduce - to vax mandates, that were brought in temporarily in some countries and for some workforces to protect key populations in the pandemic? One thing is definitely not like the other.

I am a positive person but confess I had some dark thoughts at the time people were mandated to take the vaccine or lose their jobs. Across Europe and the west this happened. Hell- Germany and Austria were about to mandate it completely. This left me feeling frightened and low. I could not believe this happened in the so called democratic world I lived

for any mandate to be remotely acceptable you would have to have 100 percent guarantee if no side effects and also that it 100 per cent stopped transmission. It looked to me like they made the statements up!

what we did to our young people across the world has left me feeling very shaken about my understanding of the world I previously inhabited. Those feelings haven’t gone and I still think “oh shit, we actually did that?”

no doubt “sunglasses” that makes me crazy/negative/choose your adjective.

yet to me, I can’t understand why more didn’t think this too. I do, genuinely, now understand why certain world events happened that before I could not understand..Group think.

@BeethovenNinth GroupThink is alive and well, so many atrocities in the past do indeed make sense now. I can't even read the nonsense coming from sunglasses.

Everyone is playing down what happened to anyone refusing the vaccine. Poof, all memory gone.
Completely rewriting history.

Many things have been forgotten and brushed over regarding the treatment of unvaccinated individuals, no matter how many times people on here are reminded, they will just claim it comes from victim mindset. It is all in our minds. Utterly unbelievable. I have been vaccinated, and I remember it CLEARLY.

The fact that @Biochemist has stated that the whole world population DID indeed need to be jabbed, and the vaccines were safe and effective for everyone leaves me questioning the world we live in, as the majority of people share this mind set.

Fauci said that those who get vaccinated will not get the virus, and for the rare breakthrough cases, those people won't present with any symptoms. That is completely false, it was then and is now.

Genuine question statement - why do we think differently? Nearly all my friends and colleagues bought in to it. “We need to vaccinate the children next” rang in my ears on my first day back in the office

i kept my thoughts to myself (and my husband) by and large. I’m respectful of choice - was horrified when people decided they couldn’t respect mine

When all else fails, @BeethovenNinth and @statementstate, break out the hyperbole! I think most of those paragraphs are cobbled together from previous similar moaning posts, and/or copied from Facebook. I know I've read them before. You need new material.

And I'll repeat: vaccine refusers are not the victims. It is deeply offensive to frame them as such.

@GoldenAye hyperbole my rear end. I don't use Facebook.

You think you know something about people who think differently. You have a whole character profile for us. It is laughable because you know nothing. Nothing at all.

The word victim only comes up when folks like yourself mention it. If I wanted to be a victim, I'd make a post about having Long Covid!

statementstate people have short memories that's for sure.

Lol. I don’t post much on FB and Mumsnet. I never post on FB.

these are my feelings. I don’t feel like a victim. I felt strong enough to decide myself.
I feel for others though and massive mistakes have been made with no accountability.

what part of my post is hyperbole? That medical consent must be absolute? Forgive me for having such progressive thoughts!

The fact that @biochemist has stated that the whole world population DID indeed need to be jabbed, and the vaccines were safe and effective for everyone leaves me questioning the world we live in, as the majority of people share this mind set.

Except I did not say anything of the sort, and these kinds of fake claims and misleading posts are making me lose any kind of sympathy with your posts @statementstate

You do not seem to be able to think critically, or understand what people are telling you

Try reading it again @statementstate

Or are you someone who isn't genuinely interested in informed discussion?

It's the classic "just asking questions" type post, whilst making it abudantly clear you have no interest in listening to the answers

Facebook was just an example - it might be any forum. The hyperbole is stock-standard phrases you'd see on any anti-vax forum.

And, yes, victims: why else bother asking for apologies if you aren't one? Why bang on endlessly about vax mandates, vax effectiveness, and now, the supposed trickery of Dr Fauci? (And lovely mention of long Covid there - yes, people do suffer from this, and they are victims, not that you'd care until it happened to you.)

Fauci said that those who get vaccinated will not get the virus, and for the rare breakthrough cases, those people won't present with any symptoms. That is completely false, it was then and is now.

Except it wasn't false at the time. You are ignoring every single poster pointing out to you that trial and early population level data showed incredibly high efficacy - almost 100% at preventing infection. In some sub-studies, no one in the treatment group was infected.

Why are you ignoring this @statementstate ?

Again I find the targeted campaign against a specific government advisor unacceptable given the current climate and given the threats made to his life, driven by anti-vaccine disinformation groups and copied and pasted by individuals who have been completely taken in.

@Biochemist you have said it many times, everyone is better off with the jab according to data. Or not? I really don't mean to put words into your mouth, you have said this on other threads.

I don't ask questions to get a rise out of people, why do you think every post is bait? I know how it goes on MN, I don't have the time to bait people into these conversations, it's draining going over the same thing repeatedly, for all of us I imagine.

However there are new things that come up, and people (me) just want to hear what others have to say when we are presented with new information. Why is that an issue?

The video clip I watched that inspired my post was something I saw a couple days ago on US news. Even though I knew what responses I would get, I wanted to see if there was anyone took issue with the things Fauci said. I thought it was worth posting because what he said was false. Typically on here, everything not aligned with the narrative is misinformation, so I wondered if what he said should be classed as misinformation because IT IS NOT ACCURATE.

At what point in 2021 were ZERO people across all age groups dying of Covid? At what point in 2021 were there only very rare cases of breakthrough infection where vaccinated individuals were only asymptomatic? That NEVER happened. Since the roll out, vaccinated people have had repeated infection, many have long covid, there have have been thousands of severe cases, thousands have been hospitalised and died.

@rockly Sorry, you're insinuating I am instigating some hate campaign. Until what you pointed out, I have not seen anything about threats on his life. I have never discussed him.

What he said was after long trails, because it was in 2021, by then there was plenty of real world data to make his claims baseless.

If he was going on data from trials, he should have said that clearly in the clip. He didn't. There was no "studies show" disclaimer.

It's like banging one's head against a wall

You are wrong.

When Dr Fauci made these comments, they were backed up by robust evidence

If you think otherwise, share timestamped evidence demonstrating so.

@statementstate

I am struggling to know how to reply to your posts if you cannot understand the difference between what I said, and what you are claiming I said.

Since the roll out, vaccinated people have had repeated infection, many have long covid, there have have been thousands of severe cases, thousands have been hospitalised and died.

Yes @statementstate - and we have robust, replicated evidence demonstrating how much worse these outcomes would have been if no one was vaccinated

If you fail to understand this, then you are truly blinkered - simply repeating claims you've seen online without thinking for yourself.

How on earth do you think tens of thousands of experts are confused but you are right? Why do the scientific and medical community say this if it's not ture?

*I don't ask questions to get a rise out of people, why do you think every post is bait? I know how it goes on MN, I don't have the time to bait people into these conversations, it's draining going over the same thing repeatedly, for all of us I imagine.

However there are new things that come up, and people (me) just want to hear what others have to say when we are presented with new information. Why is that an issue? *

You don't like what people think tbh🤷‍♀️

it's draining going over the same thing repeatedly, for all of us I imagine.

Then why are you so focussed on trying to convince women on a parenting vaccine that they are wrong about vaccines? Why spend so much time pushing fake claims and conspiracy theories? @statementstate

You don't answer questions, you don't know acknowledge when you are wrong, don't reply to the knowledgeable posters who point you to evidence (instead just accusing them of being "fake scientists on MN payroll" )

I think everyone's entitled to an opinion, but no idea why you're so intense about pushing it on everyone else.