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In 2021 Fauci said - 'Only very very rarely would vaccinated people get infected...

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statementstate · 25/03/2023 18:32

...and if they did, they wouldn't get sick, and they wouldn't even know they had it'

America calls this man "The Science" and every word he uttered back then and now, people take as absolute fact and truth.

On basis of his statement above, unvaccinated people were torn apart, shamed, demonised etc

Why wasn't all that shit he said classed as misinformation considering it wasn't true? Why won't he ever get de-platformed, or censored.

Why would a man of his expertise say things that aren't accurate? If he can openly spread false information such as the above, what else has he misled the world about since 2021 until now that heavily impacted peoples lives?

I think he deserves everyone an explanation (that was what we knew at the time bullsh*t) and an apology. Any one else agree?

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dudsville · 26/03/2023 13:46

Science studies, investigates, measures, theorises, adapts and grows. It's therefore ever changing, and this means that what was once true may not now be true. This is different to beliefs where an idea might be held in the absence of observable, measurable fact.

BeethovenNinth · 26/03/2023 15:31

I agree OP. I still haven’t recovered from it.
I quietly chose to take my chance with infection rather than the vaccine as was entirely my right to do.
I was shouted at by a friend, vilified and accused of many things not least stupidly and not “trusting science”.
i absolutely feel apologies are due but I am not holding my breath

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/03/2023 15:35

Don’t care really, tbh. We’ve all had all of our jabs and boosters. CEV husband and adult kids/small grandchild have all since had Covid. All basically had an achey cold for a week. Husband would have almost certainly been in dire straights had he not been vaccinated. I’ve never had it, to my knowledge.
That’s good enough for us.

Thank goodness for scientists/vaccines.

Mycatsgoldtooth · 26/03/2023 15:47

So glad I didn’t have it. Had covid once pre- vaccines while pregnant. It was fine. Haven’t had it since, unlike the vaccinated people in my life who have had it numerous times. I trusted natural immunity, and put up with being vilified for that completely rational choice.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/03/2023 16:00

Leakingtoilet · Yesterday 19:32Some of us did say this was misinformation and got shouted down....”

Because it wasn’t known to be so, at the time.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/03/2023 16:03

NewContender · Yesterday 20:12I strongly sense that some people while trying to prove Fauci wrong are actually far more concerned with proving themselves (in all their Facebook spouting, YouTubing on toilet seating, doing their own research, Great Reset with a few toxic male celebrities thrown in) right.

Yeah, a pandemic happened and a lot of scientists did their best (we’re certainly in a better position now?!) and some people did their worst (hey Boris). And some people took the advice at the time in the hope it was the best for the whole. And some people didn’t and are still spouting shit”

Hear, hear.

sunglassesonthetable · 26/03/2023 16:32

Some of us did say this was misinformation and got shouted down....

Like you're a scientist who knew different.

And "shouted down" - do you mean people disagreed with you?

ChocSaltyBalls · 26/03/2023 16:47

Blanketenvy · 25/03/2023 18:53

Well it's true that people that are vaccinated are much less likely to get seriously ill and die. Yes you are likely to still get symptoms and become unwell but many less hospitalisations and deaths.

This

I’ve tested positive twice since vaccination and both times it’s been like a mild cold. I was in the vulnerable category pre vaccine (not CEV). I may still have got it but I am glad it was post vaccine.

ChocSaltyBalls · 26/03/2023 16:50

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I think that was the hope, but I don’t think it was ever realistic. Very early on , vaccination was set out as just one tool in the arsenal and not a magic bullet, very early on we were told Covid was here to stay. Anything else is just wishful thinking

pixie5121 · 26/03/2023 17:21

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MajorCarolDanvers · 26/03/2023 17:25

We are several variants and vaccines on from Fauci's forecast.

Science learns as more knowledge is acquired. We know more now than we did 2 years ago.

You should try it sometime OP.

sunglassesonthetable · 26/03/2023 17:32

*are several variants and vaccines on from Fauci's forecast.

Science learns as more knowledge is acquired. We know more now than we did 2 years ago.

You should try it sometime OP.*

Quite.

Bit of a hit and run from the OP. @statementstate . Professional Agitation.

2bazookas · 26/03/2023 17:40

Show us what he said in context, and a link to the archived source.

Biochemist · 26/03/2023 17:45

sunglassesonthetable · 26/03/2023 17:32

*are several variants and vaccines on from Fauci's forecast.

Science learns as more knowledge is acquired. We know more now than we did 2 years ago.

You should try it sometime OP.*

Quite.

Bit of a hit and run from the OP. @statementstate . Professional Agitation.

I honestly don't understand why MNHQ are happy for threads like this to stay up

There are currently two people serving prison sentences for planning attempts on Dr Fauci's life. This is the reality for many of the scientists and clinicians who have become the face of COVID management globally.

Threads like these are doing the dirty work of vaccine disinformation groups and stirring up hate targeted against specific individuals.

Evidence based discussion of COVID policies and vaccines fair enough, but wild accusations and out of contexts help no-one.

statementstate · 26/03/2023 19:38

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henlee · 26/03/2023 19:42

the conversation isn't riddled with fake scientist who are evidently on MN payroll, so there, I have been consistent.

If MN was going to go to the bother of paying people to address fake claims, why not hire real scientists instead of fake ones...? @statementstate

I know plenty of postdocs and ECRs who who bite your hand off, if MNHQ are hiring Grin

NewContender · 26/03/2023 19:43

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However, I have had this same discussion on another 'mums' forum/board and the conversation isn't riddled with fake scientist who are evidently on MN payroll, so there, I have been consistent.

That is hilarious. I mean 🤷‍♀️

sunglassesonthetable · 26/03/2023 19:44

Oh it's my fault! 😂 ( I only replied 2 hrs in. )

sunglassesonthetable · 26/03/2023 19:46

Also it's just all more of the same, nothing being said that I haven't heard before, so I don't have the urge to respond.

You could be describing your own OP.

Biochemist · 26/03/2023 19:51

what wild accusations are you referring to? This comment will probably be deleted, but I would like to know what exactly you're talking about.

@statementstate seems a bit counterintuitive to re-post fake claims that have been deleted on the thread - but it's more of the same isn't it. That vaccinated people were worse off than unvaccinated re infection risk and health outcomes, that all the trial data (all vaccines, all substudies etc) was faked. Never linking to any robust evidence, never replying to anyone asking questions.

and the conversation isn't riddled with fake scientist who are evidently on MN payroll,
is something in the post? Grin

sunglassesonthetable · 26/03/2023 19:52

*I will admit, as soon as I saw you showed up @sunglassesonthetable I completely lost the will to address anyone else. Also it's just all more of the same, nothing being said that I haven't heard before, so I don't have the urge to respond.

However, I have had this same discussion on another 'mums' forum/board and the conversation isn't riddled with fake scientist who are evidently on MN payroll, so there, I have been consistent.

@Biochemist, it isn't just Fauci who people want to reproach. This is probably the first time I have even mentioned him online and in real life. I followed a lot of what went on in the US in the early days of the pandemic because I have half of my family over there.
There are many healthcare professionals, scientists and politicians that said all the same things he did here in the UK. Fauci only came up because I saw a clip of him on a US news channel going around to peoples homes encouraging them to get vaccinated.

Also @Biochemist what wild accusations are you referring to? This comment will probably be deleted, but I would like to know what exactly you're talking about.*

Kind of feeling you didn't get the answers you wanted on here.

Leakingtoilet · 26/03/2023 19:53

Truestorypeeps · 25/03/2023 21:52

Personally, I've never questioned the vaccine effectiveness and safety, I just looked at my own age and physical condition and decided to pass. I caught Covid, had a high temp for 3/4 days and had to sleep a lot, that was it. I know of one vaccine death and a bad stroke within my small community. Thousands of others have been fine. Perhaps the risk to me in not taking the vaccine was greater than taking the vaccine, but I did what I was comfortable with. I don't think people who took a vaccine should 'open their eyes', but nor do I think those that didn't are all 'tin foil hat wearers'... That's rather simplistic and it's rare that anything is black and white.

However, no one can surely tell me that it was ever necessary for healthy children to take the vaccine, the risk was miniscule! The drug companies had to get a return on their investment and so it was pushed and pushed and pushed to all. Things like that make people question the agenda, they are a business, with share holders, surely the blind can see that that must form some of this? Oh no, they are all good Christian companies who care about us all immensely! Pfizer has never ever had to pay out billions in the US due to lies about their medications?! Oh wait, oh my, they have! This is why some people tell others to do your own research, because the media didn't give a balanced view, anything anti the vaccine was silenced, no debate. It struck me as odd but people call those looking a bit deeper as mad, is that right? Why don't you just believe the government and sky news?! You must be crazy!

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What an excellent post!

Biochemist · 26/03/2023 19:56

Biochemist · 25/03/2023 22:01

Why don't you just believe the government and sky news?! You must be crazy!

This seems to be a classic sidestep in these threads. If you point out disinformation, it means you must be automatically believing the government and "MSM" @Truestorypeeps

The media mangle science reporting all the time - long before COVID. The governemnt are a bunch of clowns who made so many mistakes and deliberate decisions that were not based on robsut evidence.

My points about vaccine safety and effectiveness are based on the current body of literature (which by this point is huge) of scientific research in this area.

However, no one can surely tell me that it was ever necessary for healthy children to take the vaccine, the risk was miniscule!
The most up to date evidence disagrees with your opinion on this.

^ never did get a response to it though @Leakingtoilet

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statementstate · 26/03/2023 20:13

@Biochemist the science doesn't show that it was necessary for everyone to take the vaccine.

Do you honestly feel, or know, based on the evidence that everyone onto planet had a better chance (at fighting off Covid) with the vaccine than natural infection?

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Biochemist · 26/03/2023 20:19

statementstate · 26/03/2023 20:13

@Biochemist the science doesn't show that it was necessary for everyone to take the vaccine.

Do you honestly feel, or know, based on the evidence that everyone onto planet had a better chance (at fighting off Covid) with the vaccine than natural infection?

You asked for examples of fake claims on the thread, I gave you many which you now seem to be ignoring?

To answer your next question - yes, you're wrong. I'm not sure what you mean by "the science", but if you think you have evidence that demonstrates no effect of vaccination of a specific outcome, by all means share it.

What we do have is robust, replicated evidence from all over the world that vaccinated people showed better outcomes than unvaccinated - be it likilhood of infection, severity of illness, hospital admission etc. This is true across demographic groups.

This does not mean that there aren't a significant number of people who sailed through a first COVID infection without any issues - I'm one of them !

planet had a better chance (at fighting off Covid) with the vaccine than natural infection?
people had a better chance at fighting off COVID by...being infected with coronavirus?