In 2021 Fauci said - 'Only very very rarely would vaccinated people get infected...

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...and if they did, they wouldn't get sick, and they wouldn't even know they had it'

America calls this man "The Science" and every word he uttered back then and now, people take as absolute fact and truth.

On basis of his statement above, unvaccinated people were torn apart, shamed, demonised etc

Why wasn't all that shit he said classed as misinformation considering it wasn't true? Why won't he ever get de-platformed, or censored.

Why would a man of his expertise say things that aren't accurate? If he can openly spread false information such as the above, what else has he misled the world about since 2021 until now that heavily impacted peoples lives?

I think he deserves everyone an explanation (that was what we knew at the time bullsh*t) and an apology. Any one else agree?

What do you actually mean by this @Leakingtoilet ?

Nearly 100% efficacy at preventing infection was observed, why wouldn't this information be conveyed to the public

Who says it was observed? Funny how it wasn't replicated in the real world.

People lie. People lie more when large sums of money are involved...

From published trial data of the vaccines used in the UK/US. I have read these papers.

If you are going to claim conspiracy and that none of this was true, I don't think I have in it me to get involved, it's like being back in 2020.

It isn't funny - it's exactly what you'd expect when you compare the genome of the originally identified variant (of which the vaccines were designed against) to the genomes of emergent variants over the next couple of years.

As was said then @Leakingtoilet - this would involve a conspiracy of tens of thousands of scientists working in the these trials for the various vaccines (remember all there were multiple sub studies and trial sites), who are somehow all persuaded to lie and create a cover up.

These posts are ludicrous.

Why must there always be one ongoing thread on MN that remains a hub for vaccine/health disinformation posts?

I strongly sense that some people while trying to prove Fauci wrong are actually far more concerned with proving themselves (in all their Facebook spouting, YouTubing on toilet seating, doing their own research, Great Reset with a few toxic male celebrities thrown in) right.

Yeah, a pandemic happened and a lot of scientists did their best (we’re certainly in a better position now?!) and some people did their worst (hey Boris). And some people took the advice at the time in the hope it was the best for the whole. And some people didn’t and are still spouting shit.

The vaccines were developed for the first strain of covid & gave good protection against catching it at all, omicron came along & the vaccines worked less well against catching it but still gave good protection against serious illness

I strongly sense that some people while trying to prove Fauci wrong are actually far more concerned with proving themselves (in all their Facebook spouting, YouTubing on toilet seating, doing their own research, Great Reset with a few toxic male celebrities thrown in) right.

You bet. 🙄

On basis of his statement above, unvaccinated people were torn apart, shamed, demonised etc

No. I didn't see that. 🤷‍♀️

I agree with you 100% OP but there are so many on here who will shout you down there is barely any point in expressing our opinions. I tried to. But even evidence from more than one prestigious university as to what the vaccine did or did not do was somehow not good enough for them.

the truth will out. although I doubt we will ever see the trials results as they’ve been locked down for 75 years. why, if they so good?! Sad.

We will all be gone by then. Big pharma won’t.

I won’t be back to this thread as I can’t be bothered getting slated again for my beliefs. So many with their eyes and minds closed. Shame.

Totally agree OP but no one wants to hear it as people hate admitting they were wrong!

But even evidence from more than one prestigious university as to what the vaccine did or did not do was somehow not good enough for them.

What evidence and what does it show?

as they’ve been locked down for 75 years.
Another fake claim (which has been discussed to death on MN) - this was to do with de-anonymised data and the time it would take by regulators (not "big pharma" to redact identifying details.

I doubt we will ever see the trials results
You can read results from clinical trials, as they are publicly available online, as they have been since 2020.

You can also read the thousands of studies that have been conducted using population level data, since vaccine authorisation, that demonstrate efficacy and side effect profiles.

Honestly? Most people that were vaccinated I know just try to get on with it. We’re not going on about it all the time. And you know what we’re also not doing? We’re not commenting under every news article about a death, snide comments about what might have caused it. You know when, if they clicked on the article instead of pushing their social media algorithm derived agenda, they might see plainly that the 16 year old that had a heart attack actually had a congenital disorder. Just for example.

So yeah, shouting down, sure. I’d have a better discussion with a Tesco Clubcard.

So many with their eyes and minds closed. Shame.

As always I am totally happy to read any evidence with an open mind @Elieza (though you haven't even said what it even shows), but as always it's vague claims and "do you own research"

I find these posts ironic as at this point you are completely blind to the evidence in front of your eyes regarding vaccine effectiveness and safety.

It's weird as I don't know anyone here who made the decision to get vaccinated based on what Fauci said, I suspect though if he said something that suited your agenda you'd be saying we should have listened to the

Whoops posted too soon.

If he had been against vaccines I'm sure you'd be saying we should have all listened to him. I personally don't know anyone who assumed the vaccines were going to be 100% effective with zero chance of side effects; this would make them different to every other vaccine ever which would be strange. I also didn't see anyone in real life give a fuck if others were vaccinated or not, i suspect more of an issue for those chronically online or the gov for their poor decision re care workers.

I notice common language used in anti vaccine rhetoric too:

’Many will / won’t’
’Big Pharma’
’The truth will out’

I’ve got acquaintances who are so excited about their apparent victory in being ‘right’ about not taking the vaccine. It’s such a strange and rabid sense of triumph they’re exuding. I mean - I think the vaccines are a good part of why we’re in a better place. If they were deemed to be harmful later on I would still think I did the best thing based on the most educated sources at the time. Why would I crow if I was right? Or wrong? Why wouldn’t we just work to a solution together. The behaviour in itself points to less than altruistic motives. Or brainwashed.

I also can’t help but think - well great for you that you didn’t take it when the rest of us did. Great for you that it worked out well. Long may that continue.

Very much so. I'm open minded, I took the vaccines because for me on balance I was happy to and wanted to, if it turns out they're awful and we are all going to explode in a few years then I'll accept that also. What I hate is on social media whenever anyone dies the old #diedsuddenly along with some sort of vaccines are bad hashtag even if the person died of suicide or whatever. For people so open minded they're also not open to accepting that covid itself causes cardiac issues and stuff so could be the vaccine or could be covid. Some doctors and scientists are bad because they think one way, others believed without any doubt because they support their viewpoint.

Yes - agree. The example I put above recently was a real one. A teenage girl sadly had a sudden cardiac event. The article itself detailed that it was a disorder she was born with, but it didn’t stop the horrific sly comments about the vaccine. I just can’t imagine doing that to a family in pain, driving my own ‘university of social media’ agenda without even checking the actual facts. The irony! Also - is it possible that the people dying might possibly have had Covid, maybe?

*I agree with you 100% OP but there are so many on here who will shout you down there is barely any point in expressing our opinions. I tried to. But even evidence from more than one prestigious university as to what the vaccine did or did not do was somehow not good enough for them.

the truth will out. although I doubt we will ever see the trials results as they’ve been locked down for 75 years. why, if they so good?! Sad.

We will all be gone by then. Big pharma won’t.

I won’t be back to this thread as I can’t be bothered getting slated again for my beliefs. So many with their eyes and minds closed. Shame.*

Is this a sort of poem?

Literally makes no sense.

Just a sort of string of tin hat buzz word /phrases all in a row of 1/2 truths and rumours.

Shame?

The only shame is you live in this weird world. Get out and off your computer and get some fresh air.

I’m missing being called sheeple though.

The US has had a different attitude to vaccines, opened up vaccines to everyone fairly quickly and did over 5s way before we did. Went massively in some places (New York/California) to vaccine passes and you still right now need to be vaccinated to enter. In 2023 an unvaccinated over 18 cannot enter

A good response to the flat earthers

Janine Small, president of international markets at Pfizer, told the European Parliament that Pfizer did not know whether its COVID-19 vaccine prevented transmission of the virus before it entered the market in December 2020. Yet the media at the time was touting that this was the case.

Nope this is a misunderstanding of the difference between transmission and onward transmission.

As has been laboured on MN, it was impossible to test onward transmission in trials because of the high efficacy of these vaccines in trials. If no-one gets infected, you cannot test whether a vaccinated person is less likely to pass it on to someone else.

The media and others statements about reductions in transmission were entirely correct, because of this high efficacy. If someone does not get coronavirus, the chain of infection is broken.

HTH.

I honestly wonder what sort of world some people think we would be living in right now if we had all declined the vaccinations. All said well I'm not a scientist but....

What do you think would have happened?