The WhatsApp message leak

Mycatsgoldtooth · 2023-03-02T10:35:03+00:00

So, we’ve had the FBI saying it was a lab leak, the leaked messages showing many of the restrictions were for show, stats on the reality of masks being mostly useless unless N95s. Where are all the people that were so upset about anyone saying anything against the government now. It’s almost as if no one care where the virus came from and how the government reacted. If I’d spent years being terrified and washing my shopping I’d be really pissed off. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/01/untruth-untruth-peddled-justify-great-lockdown-disaster/

FrostyFifi · 02/03/2023 10:44

Tumbleweed now though eh?

Hiheyho · 02/03/2023 11:34

Agree with you, lots of those measures were imposed from a political perspective and not a medical one. Unbelievable, but many people knee it then

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 11:34

I'd separate some of these issues, in that it doesn't really matter for the purposes of assessing decisions about restrictions whether it was a lab leak, the wet market or something else.

The what's app message leak is huge though. It puts some of the comments on here from people who said lifting restrictions was a political decision into perspective!

Periornot · 02/03/2023 11:52

Lots of the decisions were political based - both in implementing and removing measures. Then and now. Can't open the link in op.

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Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 11:57

I got called a Qanon racist for suggesting it may have been a lab leak rather than a person eating a live pangolin (or whatever balls was being peddled at the time) on here so… just interested to see where those people are at. 🧐 Still masking their five year olds and doing lat flows before they wash the car on the drive probably.

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Marchforward · 02/03/2023 12:00

restrictions were for show, stats on the reality of masks being mostly useless unless N95s
This was all widely know at the time.

minksss · 02/03/2023 12:01

Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 11:57

I got called a Qanon racist for suggesting it may have been a lab leak rather than a person eating a live pangolin (or whatever balls was being peddled at the time) on here so… just interested to see where those people are at. 🧐 Still masking their five year olds and doing lat flows before they wash the car on the drive probably.

I think the fact you're claiming someone "eating a live pangolin" was pushed as a legitimate alternative origin suggests why someone might have thought your posts were racist.

But anyway, there is far more evidence to suggest SARS-COV-2 originated in the Wuhan wet market than it was leaked from a lab.

BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 12:05

Periornot · 02/03/2023 11:52

Lots of the decisions were political based - both in implementing and removing measures. Then and now. Can't open the link in op.

Yes, it was all political. Every bit of it, because policy decisions like this inevitably are. Particularly so in a democracy, but even the world's largest and most sophisticated surveillance state has shown us what happens when governments try and ignore political considerations.

henlee · 02/03/2023 12:08

the leaked messages showing many of the restrictions were for show,

So that isn't the impression I've got from the leaked messages at all @Mycatsgoldtooth

What messages do you mean? I just see people trying to explain to PM why COVID is a serious problem, and him not getting it in the slightest.

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Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 12:09

@minksss I'm making a joke about the fact eating a live bat was considered zoonotic infection option, as was eating a pangolin. Both things horrific my racist in comparison to a leak from the gain of function lab working on coronavirus a few miles from the market. I know which one sounds more plausible to me and has since 2020. It’s good that you, a mumsnet poster thinks there’s more evidence then the New York Times and the FBI.

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Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 12:09

Ah the shopping washers have arrived 😎

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BashirWithTheGoodBeard · 02/03/2023 12:12

I never really understood why the lab theory was racist but the wet market one wasn't. Seems to me that covid being caused by the behaviour of an unelected government loathed by many Chinese people had a much lower chance of leading to racist stereotypes and worse.

henlee · 02/03/2023 12:16

Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 12:09

Ah the shopping washers have arrived 😎

Guessing that's for me? Bit much, I have the luxury of being young and healthy so was not overly concerned about my own personal health directly from COVID.

Not sure why you don't want to engage with my q which I thought was pretty reasonable!

the leaked messages showing many of the restrictions were for show,

So that isn't the impression I've got from the leaked messages at all @Mycatsgoldtooth

What messages do you mean? I just see people trying to explain to PM why COVID is a serious problem, and him not getting it in the slightest.

henlee · 02/03/2023 12:21

Like are there any examples of the CMO or other scientific/clinical experts saying to the PM or others, these restrictions are for show, they're not necessary?

I am asking with genuine interest @Mycatsgoldtooth, because this isn't my take home from what I've seen. I may have missed something.

BJs scientific illiteracy has been well and truly showcased, however.

ClaudiaWankleman · 02/03/2023 12:32

Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 12:09

@minksss I'm making a joke about the fact eating a live bat was considered zoonotic infection option, as was eating a pangolin. Both things horrific my racist in comparison to a leak from the gain of function lab working on coronavirus a few miles from the market. I know which one sounds more plausible to me and has since 2020. It’s good that you, a mumsnet poster thinks there’s more evidence then the New York Times and the FBI.

Eating a live bat was never considered the viable infection route.

Your unintelligence may have made you believe it was, but it wasn't.

Bats, like the Horseshoe bats which incubated SARS, eat insects. Many insects feed on the blood and other body fluids of various animals. Insects transmit many diseases. When the bats eat them, sometimes the diseases survive (by adapting). Then they can be passed back or onto other animals and the process of adaption can happen many times.

Eventually, a new disease (like COVID-190 can emerge. It can be passed onto other animals (like mink, weasels, pangolins), which can harbour the disease without any or many ill effects. When a human is bitten by or butchers that animal the infection can pass to a human, where over time it might be introduced to the human body enough to adapt to survive and be communicable.

The same process has caused dogs in West Africa to be infected with Ebola, which doesn't kill the dogs but allows humans to contract Ebola from dogs.

Given China's economic development and urbanisation, and the fact it happened not long previously, it is the strongest theory.

Hiheyho · 02/03/2023 13:15

These texts showed they knew IFR for younger adults and kids were minuscule.

Periornot · 02/03/2023 13:23

Your question is perfectly reasonable.

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Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 13:50

IFR - it was known from the outset who was most at risk. Shielding decisions, outdoor transition, masking kids, not testing patients going back in to care homes - which was a political choice to help Hancock look good, not a scientific one as Whitby suggested that’s what should be done, and a choice that caused many death. Separating spouses
in care homes, not letting people be with dying relatives, effects on young peoples schooling and mental health. Hancock lying about the amount of tests being carried out. So many parts of the messages show concerns were raised and ignored, despite politicians visiting their mistresses, having parties etc so they knew they were not at risk, while the at risk groups were bundled into covid rife care homes and young healthy people were locked up m, who the government knew were at little risk but lied throughout about.

Article in the telegraph, who leaked the messages is very good.

Glad to see the lab leak deniers are here, at this point where you are going against the us government and many scientists you must be very wedded to the idea.

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bronzepig · 02/03/2023 13:57

Hiheyho · 02/03/2023 13:15

These texts showed they knew IFR for younger adults and kids were minuscule.

Yes and as has been explained to death on here, by scientists, by the CMO etc, the IFR isn't the only factor which feeds into whether suppression measures are necessary.

The CMO repeating this figure to the PM isn't novel or groundbreaking, and it was well known at the time.

I'm pretty sure I've replied to your username before on this exact thing, so I won't repeat and derail the thread!

Somebodiesmother · 02/03/2023 14:05

Hiheyho · 02/03/2023 13:15

These texts showed they knew IFR for younger adults and kids were minuscule.

We all knew that at the time, it wasn't a secret

EmmaEmerald · 02/03/2023 14:14

Thanks OP
I was wondering how the shopping washers feel

IRL, I do not know anyone who has said "Hang on, we were conned, we treated badly".

but IRL and on here, people had no trouble calling me a CT. My sister has started making a point of using cash - three years after I politely suggested it to her!

she thinks maybe some people are too angry, upset, embarrassed etc.

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Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 14:20

@EmmaEmerald yes I just don’t understand why people are just ok with being lied to so much and the massive effects some of these policies have had on the economy , education and some peoples mental health for years to come.

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henlee · 02/03/2023 14:41

EmmaEmerald · 02/03/2023 14:14

Thanks OP
I was wondering how the shopping washers feel

IRL, I do not know anyone who has said "Hang on, we were conned, we treated badly".

but IRL and on here, people had no trouble calling me a CT. My sister has started making a point of using cash - three years after I politely suggested it to her!

she thinks maybe some people are too angry, upset, embarrassed etc.

Why do you think everyone should be paying in cash though @EmmaEmerald ?

And how does it relate to coronavirus policies & the leaked whatsapp messages?

AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/03/2023 14:52

There are many funny and troubling insights to be had in the Hancock messages.

A pervasive theme seems to be using the state of public opinion to justify policy measures.

No great shock to anyone with a brain I suspect.

But what is genuinely very funny is the way that public opinion is spoken of as though it was established in some sort of vaccuum.

When you have been on the telly for months peddling doom porn and telling people that crossing their front door risks death, you perhaps have to acknowledge your role in forming public opinion. Banning folk from expressing contrary views via OFCOM rules tends to ensure that you have the media speaking with a unitary voice. Labelling anyone else slipping through those cracks as conspiracy theorists or death mongers may also have an effect on public opinion....

They were formulating policy based on the reinforcing doom loop they created.

It is astounding that not one of them evidently understands this elementary point .

Blueflag22 · 02/03/2023 16:26

Mycatsgoldtooth · 02/03/2023 11:57

I got called a Qanon racist for suggesting it may have been a lab leak rather than a person eating a live pangolin (or whatever balls was being peddled at the time) on here so… just interested to see where those people are at. 🧐 Still masking their five year olds and doing lat flows before they wash the car on the drive probably.

A lot of people still testing for cold symptoms have clearly got health anxiety and PTSD from all the propaganda and fear we've been subjected too.