The WhatsApp message leak

[Mycatsgoldtooth]

So, we’ve had the FBI saying it was a lab leak, the leaked messages showing many of the restrictions were for show, stats on the reality of masks being mostly useless unless N95s. Where are all the people that were so upset about anyone saying anything against the government now.

It’s almost as if no one care where the virus came from and how the government reacted. If I’d spent years being terrified and washing my shopping I’d be really pissed off.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/01/untruth-untruth-peddled-justify-great-lockdown-disaster/

Sorry plandemic.

@IClaudine 'Oakeshott has an agenda. The Telegraph has an agenda. They will have cherry picked those messages.

I have no doubt we were lied to during the pandemic, and our corrupt government made some huge mistakes, gave huge contracts to their dodgy mates and did an awful lot of covering up. But I haven't seen anything to suggest that no restrictions were needed'

Agree with this. I also think there was a huge drive to show pandemic was over, with little planning for reducing long term effects of covid on organs etc.

Blimey!

I don't think I ever saw that. Roughly what point in the pandemic?

Using the terms Scamdemic or Plandemic would have got your post deleted.

In terms of restrictions and the need for them, I think the wider question is still very much open and whats app messages aren't going to answer it. Not least because a lot of the evidence hasn't happened yet, iyswim. What Matt Hancock and co thought in 2020-1 is not determinative.

What the messages are showing and will probably show as we see more is the extent to which the imposition of some restrictions was politically driven. This isn't news to those of us who have always understood that policy decisions about pandemic management could never not be, but it's useful to have it literally spelled out.

No idea, it is all a blur. But there were people posting links to all sorts of stuff and I think there was something on you tube or somewhere called Plandemic that people posted links to.

Obviously MN deleted a lot of the posts.

I do remember seeing some obvious crank shit getting deleted and having the piss ripped, which actually says a lot in itself.

It's funny how people are still using 'anti-lockdowners' as some sort of insult

Given what we now know about the cost/benefit of the lockdowns, it's surprising anyone would try and defend them as in any way being a reasonable response to the virus.

Stuff about vitamin D was deleted, alongside anything questioning masks, or shutting down schools. It was all lumped together under the new authoritarian catchphrase 'misinformation' - so 5G and 'there is no virus' was the same as saying 'hey, maybe children need to go to school'

It's been a one way street on here on coronavirus for a while now

Yes any critisism of the prevaling groupthink - that one-way markers in supermarkets were stupid, that people dying alone was viciously cruel - was derided and the poster smeared as being some sort of QAnon fruitcake and the phrase "thick as mince" was frequently employed.

And the mask exemption threads; some of the posters were so vicious that I frankly wouldn't have cared if someone had breathed bubonic plague into their faces never mind covid.

So great to think of Hancock and pals having all their whatsapp bants while people were seperated from dying loved ones. While he spunked away all our money on his various schemes.

@hamstersarse you've had over 100 posts deleted on the coronavirus board over the last 3 years or so.

Not because you were going against the government/mainstream or whatever, but because you were making wildly untrue fake claims about vaccines, often specifically targeting pregnant women.

It didn't matter how many times someone would explain the claim was false (often going to the original source) and point you to evidence based info, you continued to repeat them.

I'm all for freedom of speech and allowing people to say what they want, but I completely understand why MN doesn't want to host such content, paritcularly when you never took anything on board.

No I have not seen anything that makes me think lockdown measures were "just for show". I did see that masks in schools looked to have been done mainly in response to public opinion not because it had much impact. But the aim, I assume, was to help parents feel more confident sending their kids back, so that we could get education back to normal quickly - which I think is a good thing.

It's not news that only N95 masks work. In fact even they weren't good enough. It was all about reducing physical contact and it worked. With consequences that we are all dealing with.

I'm angry. I've never stopped being angry. I knew at the time we were being conned and lied too. The people on MN who for example harangued a mum for asking if she could take her autistic son to the beach should hang their heads with shame. Bastards.

I'm astonished at the mental gymnastics some people here are still performing. You were conned. You were lied to. You're still trying to justify it.

The fact that the Telegraph isn't your normal publication doesn't mean it can all be dismissed. It's not my paper of choice either: I've never voted Tory in my life. The fact that the Guardian is barely mentioning it speaks volunteers: they're embarrassed too

WestwardHo

When you say we were lied to, can you specify exactly what we were lied to about?

There was a novel virus which no one had natural immunity to. It spread rapidly throughout the world, killing millions of people. Which part of that is not true?

If by lies you mean the response by governments worldwide to the virus, well some restrictions were obviously needed. The fact that millions died from the virus even with restrictions demonstrates that. Whether absolutely everything was necessary is perhaps debateable and hind sight is a wonderful thing. But these weren't lies.

Millions died with Covid not from It, there are stats from one for 2020 where it were 4500 or 1800 people who got died from covid on death certificate.

yes, we were lied to, why people think it was ok to deny an early treatment protocols? When in 20th century or 21 a human was told only to seek medical treatment if it could be already to late? What about empty hospitals? What about what was done to care homes? Why those 40 k sacked workers are still haven’t been apologised to?

I don't care. It put pangolins and their dreadful plight on the map and there is now a concerted effort to try and protect them. So I don't care what mistruths were told if that is the outcome.

yes, we were lied to, why people think it was ok to deny an early treatment protocols?

What "early treatment protocols" do you think you were denied? @Hiheyho

It’s all out there, use google search

Oh, that old chestnut.

like being back in 2020! I think we've had this conversation before on "early treatment protocols", and the scammers that charge patients £££ for treatments with no evidence for efficacy.

Yep, same old modus operandi. Assert something (often fairly non specific). When asked for details or proof, respond with "do your own research" or "google it".

I'm another one who is shocked at the lack of anger. There's so much information coming out that shows the sceptics were on the right track. I get why those people would be angry as they were treated appallingly. All those drs who tried to speak out were dismissed as crackpots.
Why isn't everyone else angry that they were lied to and manipulated?
We all know that many people made a lot of money. Millions, pff the back of this.
We're is all the anger?