The WhatsApp message leak

[Mycatsgoldtooth]

So, we’ve had the FBI saying it was a lab leak, the leaked messages showing many of the restrictions were for show, stats on the reality of masks being mostly useless unless N95s. Where are all the people that were so upset about anyone saying anything against the government now.

It’s almost as if no one care where the virus came from and how the government reacted. If I’d spent years being terrified and washing my shopping I’d be really pissed off.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/01/untruth-untruth-peddled-justify-great-lockdown-disaster/

There is, unfortunately, some truth to this. Even if one fully supports the lockdown based approach, the way in which it was accomplished was grossly unethical.

There were threads here calling for the anti- dementor threads to be pulled. Because people discussing the restrictions on a less then positive way needed to be censored according to some posters. That’s a frightening state of affairs, people were frightened of discussion. The mass censorship and group think terrifies me. I’m not saying that as hyperbole. In no longer trust the people I share a country with. I read Victor Klemperer for a second time during lock down two and the flimsy pretence of a good thoughtful society was redolent.

OP yes it's completely changed my perspective on everyone, not just politicians.

The most noticeable of the threads that were removed were the ones with NHS stats. There was some excellent work done by those people in the NHS, with a really good level of detail about hospital admissions.

People who said, hmm, let's look at the figures and not the rhetoric...thread removed. It was particularly in relation to areas that suffered lockdowns longer than others - people saying "let's look at figures to see the justification" and then there wasn't any.

Also, if you mention a very good book on the subject, instantly removed.

I think those of us who were seeing things differently than what was being pushed are feeling validated but I'd be really interested in what the people who had in faith in everything that the government pushed are thinking now.
So much started to not make sense to me that I thought I was going mad being the only person I knew who started to question things.

Now there are leaked messages and today I've seen Hancock asked 'when do we deploy the new variant?' and I can't think what he meant other than what it sounds like. Could someone please tell me what this could mean as this seems a bit too much to take.

DayKay I imagine he meant "when do we do the scaremongering about the next variant".

Have you read the very good book we might still not be allowed to mention? It came out in 2021 and is very useful.

Thanks @EmmaEmerald though 'deploy' seems a strange word to use.

I'm not sure what book you're talking about but I have read a few chapters of one by Laura Dodsworth?
Is that the one or is there another one?

Yes

And yet those saying so at the time we're ridiculed and insulted. It happened to me several times (I had a different username then).

It was the same postees again and again doing the ridiculing and insulting.

Who were they? Where are they now?

The fact that anyone can read those messages and think they were coming from a place of care for the people and scientific rigour rather then self serving power grabs, vanity and panic is beyond. Me. Actually laughing about the restrictions while breaking them themselves

I was pretty sceptical about lockdown but parties were the point at which I decided that we were being fed a crock of shit. if TPTB thought covid was any threat to them they'd have been holed up like they made the rest of us do. Wasn't Johnson photographed in the garden of Downing St a few weeks after we were told he 'nearly died of Covid'? and all the public figures like the RF who had apparently 'caught' the virus to show us that no-one was safe from it.

if TPTB thought covid was any threat to them they'd have been holed up like they made the rest of us do.

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

Has been posted before, but the threat of COVID (or any pandemic) isn't simply about how harmful the virus actually is.

For most people, it's fair to say the virus is relatively low risk. What was potentially very harmful was the impact of too many people off work, sick, needing medical care, needing ICU care at any one time.

For example, your child is very unlikely to have severe direct effects of COVID, but the indirect harms were real and escalating in 2020. This could be something as simple as needing an emergency appendectomy but not being able to access one. COVID may be unlikely to cause you serious harm, but the impacts of a saturated healthcare system might.

The government knew this, and knew suppression measures were neccessary to reduce how many were off work/needing hospital care at any one time. They flouted these rules, because as long the majority is doing it, they won't be impacted.

In addition, if they or their loved needed an ICU bed (car crash, emergency surgery etc), obviously they were going to get one. BJs children were never going to be waiting their fair turn if they needed emergency healthcare and their wasn't enough to go around.

They've destroyed lives, used propaganda, locked people up. Separated families, people died alone, mental health of children has deteriorated, mental health in general, PTSD and health anxiety at an all time high, vaccine injuries are happening, excess deaths are happening, covid risk was low and they are abusers and no one should defend them as they were high on power and control and were kaughing at us. They are all jumping ship worldwide now, there will be an enquiry and one day it will be classed as inhuman. In a real deadly pandemics there would be no need for propaganda. People die of cancer, sudden deaths happen, accidents happen, you can't stop life and do what this lot did.

I have friends and family in other countries, there are globalist and only one in total denial will deny there is a real struggle going on. Government work for the people, it's time we all remembered that.

Ultimately, the policies we had were made by people who were never going to see the harsh side of them. That's most obvious when it comes to Johnson's pissups, but it's also true for the ones who actually kept the rules. Nobody in government was going to be stuck in an overcrowded flat with no access to outside space, trying to work and look after their toddler simultaneously, or homeschool with fewer devices than children.

If those in government and also those with other forms of power who were supportive of these policies were going to be the ones to actually suffer because of them, they'd never have existed in the first place. It's impossible to understand lockdown policy making without getting this.

Apologies, I'm not hugely up to speed on covid stuff.

I always thought the lab leak was most likely source. Is now considered to the the case? Has there been any evidence?

I can't read the telegraph link as behind a pay wall, just about to look for another source

@Mycatsgoldtooth The A State of Fear threads were pulled. There was a poster on here who came on the threads Called us all right wing Nazis and worked damn hard to get the threads pulled. The threads were about Laura Dodsworths book and many posters derided it without even reading it and .....oh once the threads disappeared so did the poster who worked hard to get them pulled. MN were played. In light of recent events those threads should be reinstated

Vanity Fair did a long article back in the summer of 2021
www.mumsnet.com/talk/coronavirus/4308520-Vanity-Fair-article-on-Covid-19s-origins

Wonder how ITV are feeling now after having Hancock on Im A Celeb. Im guessing there will be a few people calling out the hypocrisy on Twitter tomorrow if they try discussing this on This Morning.

Oh and if the MSM had did their bloody jobs and questioned things more instead of asking when the lockdown was going to start and why wasnt it longer etc Oakeshott would not have had the oppurtunity to do what she has just done.

At the time my husband said a lot of the people you are arguing with will be plants by the intelligence agencies which I thought was bonkers. Now with the revelations of the use of the 77th brigade and the spying that went on of lock down critics I can see that as being plausible. Madness that we descended into a stasi like state. Blacklisted books, conversations censored, people reporting on others, convictions still going to the courts for things that really shouldn’t have been criminalised as they were no risk to anyone.

A woman who’s baby had died was arrested for visiting a friend for comfort, a homeless man arrested for being outside without a reason, an old man arrested for talking to someone at an allotment. A father arrested for trying to get into his dying sons Hospital room. And the politicians saying how pleased they were arrests were being made. Disgusting. And I am disgusted by the people that supported these actions out of craven fear and cowardly unquestioning obedience that had been implanted in their minds by sociopathic careerists drunk on power and corruption.

I don't think it's going to cause them any problems. The argument about whether it was appropriate to ask Hancock has been had already, they could legitimately say they didn't know about any of this when they made the call and if anything it might bring more attention to I'm A Celeb. People picking over clips of things he said etc. Broadcasting wise, ITV made a good decision there and this isn't going to change that.

As soon as Cummings drove to Barnard Castle to test his eyesight, we should have known they were liars and couldn't be trusted over anything to do with covid.
Well, some did.

Or Neil Fergerson shagging his mistress and the saying it was fine as he’d had covid so was immune. So natural immunity worked for people in power then… thought it was a myth.

Blacklisted books, conversations censored,

MN ended up deleting the "State of Fear" threads because they became a hub for fake claims about coronavirus, vaccines and treatments, often targeting pregnant women, which has the potential to cause real harm.

Equally, private companies are allowed to decide what content they host on their site. This isn't censorship. Links to websites like oddesee etc are often deleted because of the hate speech & racism they promote. I think it's fair enough they don't want to add to their revenue by directing traffic their.

@minksss There were not that many posts like that There were some really well written insightful posts from posters like MistressoftheDarkside Its a pity they cant be read due to erasure

@Mycatsgoldtooth regarding plants, if you haven't already, it's worth watching Undeclared War.
It would have been ludicrous to not have people logging into popular forums to shape public opinion.

I'm mean, unethical, but ludicrous considering the way things have unfolded

If half of what we are hearing is true, people like Hancock Whitty Valance Bojo etc should charged with misconduct in public office.... but we all know they wont be, House of Lords awaits them all.

More power to Oakshott's bow is what i say.