If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

Who are the ‘right people’ you listened to? What did they warn you would happen?

No rush. I’m also happy with my decision.

I am worried that covid itself is affecting people’s immune systems though. Particularly kids.

What have you seen that worries you? I really don't understand I'm afraid. I'm for the vaccines. They have prevented deaths and severe illness. I don't understand why some people are so set against them.

Really weird threads on here recently. All starting with an ‘innocent’ - Oooo would you get the jab/do you regret it? - as a cue for the anti science brigade all pile on.

I think they’ve been so sidelined IRL, and with the global data so heavily stacked against their ‘views’ - they gather here with nonsense anecdotes in an attempt to try to find some comrades.

Makes me think of a fish that decided out of a pond - and is now flapping about but adamant that it was somehow right. It abates for a bit - and then has another massive - but ineffective flap.

The Dunning-Kruger effect : when people who are not experts/have little scientific ability have far too much confidence and vastly overestimate their knowledge and ability.

Then they start to link their latest bit of nonsense from a completely unregulated ‘think tank’ - and Mumsnet deletes it! What’s the thought process there? Are Mumsnet also in on the ‘global tyranny’? If so - why post your rubbish on Mumsnet?

Really weird threads on here recently. All starting with an ‘innocent’ - Oooo would you get the jab/do you regret it? - as a cue for the anti science brigade all pile on.

I think it is likely there aren't actually that many individual posters.

Normally this kind of influx mirrors some big "development" on the anti-vaccine scene which people then copy and paste onto forums, though this is odd timing given most countries are now only offering boosters to high risk people.

Who knows!

I haven’t had any and I am 100% happy I didn’t. I did consider getting them but given what’s happened since it was absolutely the right decision.

Another vague post designed to cause anxiety and stress in people who have been vaccinated, and try and coerce those who would benefit into not taking it.

As has been said before, it's particularly irresponsible and effective to spam these kinds of posts on a forum which attracts a high proportion of pregnant women, who definitely would benefit from a booster.

but given what’s happened since
What's that then?

What’s happened since the vaccine rollout? I’m a vaccinator.

Interesting analysis

Interesting analysis of cost/benefit of vaccination based on published government data

@Hiheyho

Ivor Cummins - brilliant. Why can’t you find a reliable credible scientist rather than a quack? There’s a reason for that! Wonder how much he’s made out of his misinformation campaign?

He used official govt data, you can keep on laughing, if you watch the video - he mentions other people who’s video is based on.

The basic tenet of science is consensus opinion. Is it safer to listen to the 99.9% opinion where the evidence has been scrutinised and peer reviewed - or - the 0.1% of ‘scientists’ who are out to make a name for themselves via the great university of YouTube?

You can use "official data" to tell you anything you want it to. This is pretty much what the entire anti-vaccine industry is based on @Hiheyho

It's why being an epidemiologist is something that takes a couple of degrees and years of experience, not just something you decide to dabble in on the side.

@Hiheyho

No - he’s misrepresented data to support his agenda. If there was any credibility to his claims - that would now be feeding consensus opinion. Before any scientific claim can feed global
guidelines it needs to be scrutinised and peer reviewed on a global scale. That’s why it is not safe to listen to a claim made by a discredited fringe pseudo scientist who is motivated by profits to his YouTube channel.

Ivor Cummins is a engineer turned food author - not a doctor or virologist. Nothing to do with Covid or vaccines.

I've asked this question on several threads and no-one ever answers, maybe someone here will do so.

Since doctors are the ones who would see, on a daily basis, all these vaccine injured patients, how do you explain that they are overwhelmingly choosing vaccination and boosters for themselves and their families?

@Mummyford Perhaps they have looked at the risk factors in their particular families and have decided that it is best for them?

Just like I looked at the risk factors and decided it wasnt best for my children and I.

I do not trust the government. I wonder why, on the one hand, they tell us the world is overpopulated and the environment is going to shit; on the other, they seem so keen to vaccinate the old to "ensure they are protected". It just doesn't add up to me.

DH is a doctor - also worked on a Covid ward - all three generations of the family are fully vaccinated.

@Dacadactyl

My mother's a doctor, father a science professor, sister an epidemiologist. None of us, nor any of our children, have risk factors, and we are all as vaccinated as our ages allow. The same goes, almost universally, for their friends and colleagues.

The answers are because 1. they are not seeing anywhere even close to the number of vaccine-injured patients that mumsnet vaccine sceptics seem run across in the wild; and, 2. they read and, crucially, understand, the almost constant flow of studies and respected journal articles that point to the vaccines being safe and effective, although not a magic panacea.

Do you really believe your analysis of the risk factors is better or more perceptive than theirs?

@Mummyford well the NHS sent me a leaflet (yonks after everyone else had been double vaccinated and there was still mad amounts of pressure to get it) saying "the vaccine is recommended for people in x, y and z groups". I wasn't in any of them. I followed their advice for a start.

In terms of whether my analysis of the risk factors is more perceptive than theirs, I would say on the 'scientific front', no. However, when I eventually got Covid, I was fine and have had worse colds, so on that front, I appear to have been right.

@Mummyford One thing I will say is that I thought long and hard about what I'd do with my children if they were given the opportunity to be vaccinated.

As much as I don't trust the government and think I still would've refused it for my children, I did worry about the (possibly as yet unknown) long term effects of catching covid on them.

As it happened, the decision was taken out of my hands because my kids caught Covid a month before the vaccination programme was rolled out to them and again, they were fine. If covid itself proves to negatively affect people in future, there was nothing I could have done to prevent it anyway, because they weren't eligible for vaccination at the time they caught it IYSWIM.

I listened to my gut feeling and I can't tell you how happy I now feel that I did, although I'm terrified for family and loved ones, that were pushed into taking these jabs, for holidays, work and the greater good.

I personally know a handful of people that have suffered stroke, heart attacks, cancer returning, heart failure and liver failure, some of whom are sadly no longer here. Maybe it was the jab that caused these, maybe it wasn't, we may never know for sure, but questions need to be asked.

What I hate more then anything is the way society was divided and families torn apart by different opinions. In my view if you can't question something, then it isn't science, it's dictatorship. Anyway to answer your question no, I wouldn't rush out and get the jab, not for all the money in the world.

@Dacadactyl

Thank you for answering, and I do understand that you made the choice that felt right for your family.

Interestingly, my mother and her colleagues feel that they're seeing exponentially higher numbers of long Covid and post-covid issues than they are vaccine injured patients. She's been very upset by how many formerly healthy people (particularly women) are suffering with ongoing issues. I don't know what the research is on vaccination status and long covid, but I'm sure it's being looked at.