If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

@10milewalk

I think the issue is that say, for example : if a pregnant woman read your post, was scared and decided to go against the advice of her doctor. It could be harmful.

Globally, 13 billion vaccine doses have been administered. 70% of the global population have been vaccinated. 80% in England.

There is more than sufficient data to support the global guidelines which state the vaccine is safe and effective.

I would say your vaccine scepticism means your bias could cause you to attribute illnesses to the vaccine that are highly unlikely to have been caused by the vaccine. This is why it’s essential that it’s properly evaluated by a qualified medical expert and not purely anecdotal evidence/a hunch which could be heavily swayed by your bias.

Fortunately - there are a great majority of independent, peer reviewed studies by highly qualified experts based on global data. And they all say the same : safe and effective.

It’s not a dictatorship - and yes things should be questioned. Things HAVE been questioned, thoroughly tested - and if there was sufficient evidence to challenge the global consensus opinion - then it would change. The thing is it isn’t changing. Whether you are in the UK, Europe, Australia you will get exactly the same advice. Surely the whole global scale should resonate?

Misinformation/fake news etc is an online harm. This is what people get angry about and why Mumsnet delete certain posts. It’s not some kind of global tyranny.

@MinkyGreen you are entitled to take the view that it is not a form of tyranny for the governments of the world to try to exclude people from society on the basis of their vaccination status. Others are entitled to form a different view. When it happened here and we were being told we had to show vaccination status to go to the theatre etc, all it did was convince me further that NOTHING would make me personally take it.

How dare the government think I don't have autonomy over my own body.

@Dacadactyl

So now that there is less threat - you are now able to access places without the need to show vaccination status.

That body autonomy is the ideal and now the threat has subsided - you don’t need to show that status.

When you go on a plane/visit a theatre - you do not own the plane/theatre - you are using a facility owned by the theatre company/airline. They have to make decisions for the best safety of all their patrons/the countries they are flying to and the health of the citizens in that country.

You can of course hold a minority view if you wish, but you need to accept that the majority don’t - and companies need to look out for the health of others by following global advice.

@MinkyGreen yes companies may decide to exclude people. However, the government were naive/ridiculous to think that people like me (who had held out for so long) would suddenly rush out to get vaccinated because they couldn't go out.

Correct me if im wrong cos ive not looked up the requirements in a while, but last time i checked, the USA still wouldn't let you in without a vaccine, unless you're a citizen. So now the threat has subsided, what is their rationale for that?

I had my first 2 only as I felt enormous pressure to do so as at the time those who were un vaccinated had different isolation requirements that affected work and I was a temporary staff members at the time. Didn't even consider having my 3rd. Now - no way!

Oh and I'm very glad my dc didn't have any

@Dacadactyl

I was speaking more about UK venues. I don’t know about various airlines worldwide but it would be based on the risk to public safety.

Never!

@MinkyGreen yes, I know. But it's stuff like that (citizens can come in unvaccinated but non-citizens cant) that make me think "what're these rules about then?" Because it doesn't look like it's health when you look at it.

minky you do realise that these vaccines domg
stop you getting it, right? You do now get that?

I remain galled at the ease with which people decided that bodily autonomy no longer applies. Want to keep your job - tough shit. Utterly dystopian and you still can’t see it.

@BeethovenNinth

My understanding of the vaccine efficacy is based what the global guidelines say as I believe this has the most robust, peer reviewed evidence.

So this:

Research has shown the vaccines help:

reduce your risk of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID-19
reduce your risk of catching or spreading COVID-19
protect against COVID-19 variants

I’m not qualified, nor do I have the same level of education as global scientific consensus opinion - so I see no reason to challenge it. All my family and friends are vaccinated - including my daughter, I’ve had 4. None of us have had any kind or reaction other than a sore arm.

So that’s what I ‘get’ - and my experience follows the norm.

I’m not in fear or have high levels of anxiety, I don’t believe there is a global tyranny, I can see the controversy around mandates - but I can also see that various companies have a duty of care to their customers in the middle of a pandemic.

I’m wary of fringe sources, I’d always look at the credentials of the fringe scientist making dubious claims which is why peer review is essential. I’d also be wary of social media echo chambers/anecdotal evidence and people’s hunches that have not been properly evaluated.

I’d also look at global reaction, media sources if I’m sceptical about anything I read in the UK. I’d look to see how other comparable countries in Europe/worldwide are reacting.

If other countries globally are doing the same thing more or less - I’d say it’s a pretty huge stretch - or just simply ‘wrong’ to think they’ve somehow colluded together and duped the whole of mankind. Especially now 13 billion doses have been administered/70% world vaccinated.

You need to open your eyes a bit love if you think it stops you getting it. You sound slightly deranged!

I don’t think there has been a collusion against mankind - just typical corporate greed and shoddiness. The end result might the the same though

@MinkyGreen You sound like you're part of the 77th Brigade. I never thought I'd live in a country where we weren't able to question things anymore or express a different opinion.
I'm not a doctor so I'm not giving medical advice to anyone and neither should you

Or fire health/social care staff who didn't/couldn't get vaccine, or people would expect same staffs personal health information given to them, but health/social care staff couldn't do same!

@MinkyGreen Also in answer to your reply to me, who decides what's Misinformation/fake news? Have you read 1984, we are literally living in it.

Have you read 1984? We're not.

Ok. Well : ‘love’, ‘deranged’ and ‘77th brigade’ are not really sensible counter arguments.

I don’t think you read my post properly. I’m not educated enough to
challenge consensus medical opinion was my point. I’m sufficiently educated to follow consensus medical opinion and state what it is. Mumsnet doesn’t delete my posts as I’m stating the guidelines - whereas the misinformation posts are getting deleted.

I don’t often report posts as I think the discussion is important - but where it contains a misinformation link : I do and Mumsnet deletes. Or sometimes I think Mumsnet automatically bans some sites.

Here is Mumsnets stance - doesn’t sound like 1984 or some kind of dystopian nightmare to me:

Our overall aim is to make parent's lives easier and we moderate with this in mind. Clearly, 'fake news' or bad science isn't helpful for anyone, least of all parents - though we do find this kind of thing is quickly and robustly challenged on the boards - and we'll also remove links to dubious sources when reported.

I had the first two AZ. I have AF so it fucked around with my heartbeat for a bit, then settled down. Thereafter I didn't have any more because of stories were by then coming out about how these MrNA jabs were causing myocarditis in teenagers. My heart is already compromised so I decided, no more.

DH has never had any of these Covid jabs, and has beaten (mild) Covid twice.

I’ve been vaccinated and I haven’t had covid. So if I follow the same kind of logic as many people do on this thread, that definitely means vaccines stop you getting it.

I’m also pregnant and haven’t previously had the vaccine, have you made a decision? I don’t know what to do myself x

@mkrsit out of interest, what has your midwife said to you about it? Do they advise one way or the other?

What were your reasons for declining the vaccine previously?

My midwife asked me if I’d had the vaccine and I said no and she said was that a informed choice she said she chose to get it because she had pregnant women labouring in her face all the time 😂 that was it. I was unsure so never got it, then I had covid and didn’t see the point after when all vaccination places closed x

So she didn't advise you one way or the other then by the sounds of it. Is that right?