If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

What do you mean?

There are messages where he explains vaccine development cannot be rushed, especially considering the relatively low mortality rate.

That was true then and is now - as has been said many a-time to you and other usernames - development of the SARS-COV-2 vaccines enabled to be done as quickly as possible whilst not skipping any stages in normal vaccine development.

@sunglassesonthetable My son gave up as he felt it was a lot of debt to be acquiring for very little actual tuition or even the social connection- he went back to working in IT which luckily he had 4 years experience in pre Uni

My son gave up as he felt it was a lot of debt to be acquiring for very little actual tuition or even the social connection- he went back to working in IT which luckily he had 4 years experience in pre Uni

It was hard wasn't it.

My son's experience of Uni is completely different to his siblings. He has loved his course and done well, so at least that is a success. But he's definitely missed out on the social side.

that's is how abusers use coercion and sometimes the trauma bonded victim doesn't even realise until years later. It is very similar to tactics used with the vaccines, the offer of stuff, mild threats, vaccines passports were discussed but thankfully the ones that stood up said no helped. Some abusers use the is guilt trip tactic, done by the media the threat of losing jobs really happened and care workers left or sacked. No knew can force you physically, It's always done psychologically to the masses.

I had my first vaccine on February 31. I'm booked in for number two on February 30, 2023.

that's is how abusers use coercion and sometimes the trauma bonded victim doesn't even realise until years later. It is very similar to tactics used with the vaccines, the offer of stuff, mild threats, vaccines passports were discussed but thankfully the ones that stood up said no helped. Some abusers use the is guilt trip tactic, done by the media the threat of losing jobs really happened and care workers left or sacked. No knew can force you physically, It's always done psychologically to the masses.

Difference is though that lots of people still consider the vaccine a good thing. And wanted to have it. Up to about 75% of the population.

There might be some who wouldn't of chosen it except for what freedoms it gave them I agree. But 🤷‍♀️ don't know that number.

You can't excuse coercive behaviour because some people don't regret the choice they were coerced into making, it's still abusive tactics, that's never okay.

Abusers may sometimes believe that the thing they are giving their victim no other choice but to take up is a good choice for them, abusers infantise their victims like that and put themselves in an authoritative position which they had no right to take up, they gaslight and make the victim feel silly for making their own choice if their choice would be a different one.

The crux of it is that coerced consent is not consent, every adult has the right to bodily autonomy.
If you believe that 75% are pleased with their choice then they probably would have made that choice without being bullied, that does not excuse rolling out those tactics in the first place. It's not about the number of people it worked on it's about intent it was a purpose designed program using media and eventually the useful idiots in society that their messages infected to apply social coercion.

Sorry don't think it was coercive to run a vaccination campaign. @itwasntmetho

I was a vaccinator. I didn’t coerce anyone to have the vaccination. People queued in horrible weather desperate to have the vaccine. Some wanted to hug me they were so pleased to have the opportunity to have their vaccine.

There might be some who wouldn't of chosen it except for what freedoms it gave them I agree. But 🤷‍♀️ don't know that number.

Those will be the coerced. The number is irrelevant, the loss of freedoms was the coercion, a medical treatment should be able to be declined without consequence.

No don't think it's that simple when the the loss of freedom is nightclubs and holidays and it's in the context of a pandemic.

There are consequences in a pandemic.

The campaign was heavy handed. Not the fucking vaccinators the government lead media making peoples minds up to go to the vaccinator in the first place.

I know many people who turned into judgemental cunts about the unvaxxed and were vocal about it, that is social punishment. That is what happens when we are told that the virus stops with the vaccinated, that people who do not get the vaccine are far right, disinformed, thick, paranoid..... and if that doesn't work they may be unemployed too.

I'm glad you felt very special and a part of something and people wanted to hug you 🙄but I think you know I wasn't talking about the individuals vaccinating.

The campaign was heavy handed. Not the fucking vaccinators the government lead media making peoples minds up to go to the vaccinator in the first place.

I can't remember the campaign.

That is what happens when we are told that the virus stops with the vaccinated, that people who do not get the vaccine are far right, disinformed, thick, paranoid..... and if that doesn't work they may be unemployed too.

Where were we told this? 😬

We we never told that

The far right issue.

I don’t think people are necessarily - or mean to be- ‘far right’ for scepticism of Covid measures.

It’s more that the only political parties who would support those kind of views are far right parties . Or a sector of the left who seem more than happy to align with more extreme right wing think tanks. Why is this?

I put this on another thread but there is :

“A pretence that Covid isn't very serious, hasn't killed millions, left even more with long-term health problems, and constitutes a danger to the clinically vulnerable still.”

THAT is the key issue for me. I fully understand that lockdowns, mandates are something that we don’t want, and cause suffering : but how do you argue against measures without any acknowledgement to the consequences had we not had then.

You cannot simply ‘write off’ the millions of people that have been killed or debilitated, - and how much worse that could have been - with no measures in place. We need a healthy society for all to function : schools, the infrastructure supporting schools, adequate care, access to health services.

That’s why there tends to be an alignment with far right because it’s potentially an argument that stems from personal freedom, economic wealth, individualism over the needs of those who are at risk from the virus.

It’s more an awareness of this, and I’m hoping that a desperate situation doesn’t cause people to become indoctrinated by social media type echo chambers - and to follow a path they would normally stay well clear from.

we were definitely told that the virus stops with the vaccinated.

@MinkyGreen
i am watching the thread where you are being hammered for your far right accusations...

"You do sound ridiculous sometimes

what is this obsession with ‘far right’?

If I recall correctly, Piers Corbyn was the biggest campaigner against lockdowns, organising the rallies.

This isn’t a left / right issue, not sure why you keep trying to slur people with the ridiculous ‘far right’ accusation. All that happens is the people you accuse of it just think you are ridiculous. It’s like you have no concept of what ‘far right’ truly is. If you think Jay Battaychara (so) is far-right, you are clearly just being daft"

@sunglassesonthetable @GoldenAye

"Instead of the virus being able to hop from person to person to person, potentially mutating and becoming more virulent and drug resistant along the way, now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person.
A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else. It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to get more people."

from rachel maddow's news program on msnbc march 29, 2021

www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/09/09/remarks-by-president-biden-on-fighting-the-covid-19-pandemic-3/

This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.
from president biden's speech linked above

Instead of encouraging people to get vaccinated and mask up, they’re ordering mobile morgues for the unvaccinated dying from COVID in their communities.
from biden's speech

We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin. And your refusal has cost all of us. So, please, do the right thing. But just don’t take it from me; listen to the voices of unvaccinated Americans who are lying in hospital beds, taking their final breaths, saying, “If only I had gotten vaccinated.” “If only.”
more from biden's speech

from rachel maddow's news program on msnbc march 29, 2021

Do you watch MSNBC? I don't. Not sure what you're getting at?

For the vast majority of you who have gotten vaccinated, I understand your anger at those who haven’t gotten vaccinated.
more from biden's speech