If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

Honestly I have reached the stage now where I think some people wanted a pandemic with no deaths, no vaccines or treatments, no lockdowns, no disruption to daily life, no consequences!

Yep.

Until maybe Covid hit them badly.

Nevertheless something like 75% are fully vaccinated in the UK.

Speaks for itself. Despite the hardcore on here.

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I'm interested in the way the word coercion is bandied about.

Well quite.

Let's see...

Coercion - the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

I do think there's some mileage in that accusation. Care workers for example were told they'd lose their jobs unless they were fully vaccinated by a certain date. That sounds like a threat to me.

On the other hand, 'you can't go to a nightclub/concert unless you are vaccinated' is not a threat, imo. Because you're not going to lose your livelihood.

It's used very freely regardless, more like a reference to any boundary.

Yes, and that means it loses its proper definition.

Absolutely not. The principles of bodily autonomy should be absolute.

Rush a vaccine through if you want, but people must have the final say what goes into their body. That was completely disregarded in many countries.

natural immunity was disregarded. Didn’t matter my niece had just had covid - if she wanted into a large event, she needed two jabs. As it happened she didn’t recover from the first enough to risk the second but there was no exemption. No alternative views allowed about the fact it didn’t stop transmission in the first place. That the young didn’t need it and especially not those who had just recovered

i remain shocked horrified and traumatised by the fact this was all thrown out the window.

I will never forgive nor forget.

Rush a vaccine through if you want, but people must have the final say what goes into their body. That was completely disregarded in many countries.

Where was 'final say' disregarded?

Final say was completely disregarded. People forced to have a vaccine they didn't need or want to keep their jobs. They had no final say.

@sunglassesonthetable

I'm interested in the way the word coercion is bandied about.

*No idea how the student mentioned previously had the jab without her consent.
And frankly don't believe it. *

do you accept that coercion affects consent?

I don't see how you can have the vaccine without giving final consent.

If you're having it to allow you to go clubbing so be it. But I don't see that as coercive.
Not during a pandemic.

@BeethovenNinth the fact that some people on here re trying to deny any coercion tactics were used is what startles me the most. It shows they are willingly and deliberately choosing to deceive themselves. Again, this must be out of fear. Fearful that they didn't make the right decisions for themselves.
After the NHS mandate was threatened and subsequently dismantled when the government realised that too many medical professionals were willing to sacrifice their jobs, the whole idea for mandates had to be scrapped. It set the tone for the rest of us. If the NHS wouldn't comply when threatened, then surely neither would anyone else. Had they (NHS) not stood their ground, we'd be in a very different position as a country.

I also believe that millions may not have gotten the jab if travel restrictions weren't implemented. Which we now know was a POINTLESS on the transmission front for the population vaccinated or not and a huge money making initiative for those in power and their cronies.

The amount of corruption with the testing alone. It was farcical, as was track and trace. Not to mention, none of it was backed by science. The word science itself has become a sham.

The uptake of vaccines would have been very low had it been left down to body autonomy and individual risk/benefit analysis alone.

I agree that terms such as ‘forced’ and ‘coercion’ are too strong and too emotive. No one was forced.

There is a difference between :

“You must be vaccinated”
and
“You must be vaccinated in order to”

So yes, they constrain an individuals freedom of choice. I don’t think that constrain was wanted, the ideal is that individuals should have their liberty. It was a balance against that and public safety.

If your niece wanted to travel to a country abroad that required an ICVP - is that a case of forced vaccination? Or a measure taken to protect pubic health? Does she still have the choice to not travel to that country/nightclub? Therefore it’s not ‘forced’. It’s recognising that the nightclub/country has put measure in place to protect all their visitors and can’t just focus on the health and views and wishes of your niece.

the fact that some people on here re trying to deny any coercion tactics were used is what startles me the most. It shows they are willingly and deliberately choosing to deceive themselves. Again, this must be out of fear. Fearful that they didn't make the right decisions for themselves.

Tbh I'm not doing anything out of 'fear' on here. Totally at ease with my decision.

@MinkyGreen pffff... coercion is too strong of an emotive. We were all there, we all experienced it. Thousands on here didn't want to get vaccinated but only did so because of the fear mongering and the threat of their freedoms taken away.

What is it called when someone makes you do something you don't want to do? When they break you down emotionally or restrict your movement in response to you not doing what they have "advised"?
There are accounts of impressionable teenagers taking the jab, "just to fit in with their peers"... that shouldn't ever be a reason to have a vaccination. We should have all been running to get it sleeves rolled up, not reluctantly dragging our feet, being made to feel like a social pariah without two jabs and a booster. We can't forget that all of a sudden those of us who weren't boosted were no longer identified as being fully vaccinated at some point in time.

The uptake of vaccines would have been very low had it been left down to body autonomy and individual risk/benefit analysis alone.

How do you know that?

Yes - I’m at ease too. Words like ‘forced’, ‘coercion’ ‘tyranny’ seem to be coming from one side of this argument. Does make me wonder about pots and kettles. They seem like very ‘fearful’ words to use, and an over exaggeration.

No one was ‘forced’.

een pffff... coercion is too strong of an emotive. We were all there, we all experienced it. Thousands on here didn't want to get vaccinated but only did so because of the fear mongering and the threat of their freedoms taken away.

Yep we were all there. All those thousands and thousands that got vaccinated??Only know two people that weren't.

Funny how we can live through the same thing and see it so differently.

@statementstate

Ehh?? Really? Can’t say that was happening in my world! Thousands?? Impressionable teenagers being forced?

That really does sound like a world of fear. Very sinister.

*Ehh?? Really? Can’t say that was happening in my world! Thousands?? Impressionable teenagers being forced?

That really does sound like a world of fear. Very sinister.*

Sounds like "the fear" resides somewhere else.

“State of Fear Created by the Anti-Sciencers”

Sounds like a book title to me.

We should have all been running to get it sleeves rolled up, not reluctantly dragging our feet, being made to feel like a social pariah without two jabs and a booster.

You should have seen the queues here.

it is indeed, but that is how life goes actually. in effect, we do experience the same event differently. of course some people collective see it one way, and the others another way.

of the people I know world over, I would say it is 60/40, but the majority who did especially in my firm, they regret it, well, those that I have spoken to, because actually it is still a taboo subject to discuss freely out in the open. we had to declare our vaccination status constantly to HR, and those who weren't vaccinated had to come into HR to discuss why.

many people I know bought their statuses too.

Ian Brown : “ I will NEVER sing to a crowd who must be vaccinated as a condition of attendance. NEVER EVER!"

Harry McNally: "That's up to Butlins surely?”