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If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

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AreYouVeryAnti · 25/01/2023 23:49

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

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sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 16:33

Luckily we don't live in a police state. No one ever had to have the vaccine in the UK.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 16:34

Where does the '7 years' for testing vaccines come from out of interest?

hamstersarse · 06/03/2023 16:44

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 16:33

Luckily we don't live in a police state. No one ever had to have the vaccine in the UK.

Did you hear about the 40,000 care workers who lost their jobs because they chose not to get vaccinated?

Blueflag22 · 06/03/2023 16:47

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 16:33

Luckily we don't live in a police state. No one ever had to have the vaccine in the UK.

Really is that why nurses and doctors were about to lose their jobs. NHS100k was formed, they protested the whole was dropped but they were all close to losing their jobs for choosing not to have the vaccine. It's like some people deliberately choose to ignore the atrocious manner in which they used covid to get people to comply. It was tyranny.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 16:53

Did you hear about the 40,000 care workers who lost their jobs because they chose not to get vaccinated?

Was that 4,000 or 40,000?

statementstate · 06/03/2023 16:54

Since these vaccines we have seen that we don't have to be living in a police state to be forced to take a vaccine. However many were coerced, and others were forced to choose between losing their employment and getting the jab. Why are we now being dismissive of the fact that it was almost mandated here? What happened to all those who worked in care homes, and very almost NHS workers? Had they not taken the stance they did it, we would have fallen to mandates in firms and other organisations across the country. Thank God for those brave individuals. Their refusal was the turning point.
Still, there were many financial firms that required vaccination status of all employees, and if you weren't getting vaccinated, they wanted an explanation as to why. It was heavily encouraged to the point of being forced.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 16:55

Really is that why nurses and doctors were about to lose their jobs. NHS100k was formed, they protested the whole was dropped but they were all close to losing their jobs for choosing not to have the vaccine. It's like some people deliberately choose to ignore the atrocious manner in which they used covid to get people to comply. It was tyranny.

Is that like the other mandatory jabs necessary to work in the health sector?
Hepatitis, TB etc?

statementstate · 06/03/2023 17:00

The whole point is @sunglassesonthetable there were no grounds for the mandates. There never was. It is not like other mandatory vaccines, quite clearly.

BeethovenNinth · 06/03/2023 17:33

If I can add Scotland whereby it was mandated for large events, nightclubs and nearly for pubs and restaurants. My niece took it solely to get into night clubs as a student. She has had an odd skin condition since.

of course it was coerced. Only a fool would suggest otherwise

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 17:44

Fair play if you don't agree with a vaccine for yourself and don't take it but god alive if you take it to get into a night club you're not that bothered.

That's not coercion. That's weighing up your priorities.

I'm sorry she has a skin condition you clearly think the vaccine caused it.

peppathe3rd · 06/03/2023 17:46

one of my best friend's husband works in the financial sector in the uk as head of a department of an extremely powerful bank. he was given the "choice," to have the vaccines OR, work from home and not be allowed to meet with any clients - ergo, lose his job, livelihood and the ability to provide for his immediate and extended family. guess which option he "chose."

peppathe3rd · 06/03/2023 17:49

@BeethovenNinth
please ignore sunglasses. making light of the coercion that took place and the pressure put on young people just to go back to a semblance of the life they had known before 2020 is horrendous. no one with any sensitivity or awareness would write such things. best to ignore that person. i received the same advice earlier today from another poster on here and they were 100 percent correct about sunglasses.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 17:54

Thanks @peppathe3rd more personal digs

Ambertonix · 06/03/2023 17:54

To suggest that people were not coerced and bullied into getting jabbed is just plainly untrue. I was in the fortunate position of not needing to work, not bothered about holidays or nightclubs but i would have missed going to concerts if i had needed proof of vaccine to get in. I fell out with a lot of family over my refusal to get the jab and even now two years on when it doesnt matter anymore, my relationships are still tainted. I will never forget how we were treated by the government and others who thought they knew my body better than me and you can scoff all you like but i will never regret standing my ground and i would do so again a hundred times because it was the right thing for me and, call me selfish, that is what matters.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 17:55

Do I have to agree with you? Is that it?

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 17:58

please ignore sunglasses. making light of the coercion that took place and the pressure put on young people just to go back to a semblance of the life they had known before 2020 is horrendous. no one with any sensitivity or awareness would write such things. best to ignore that person. i received the same advice earlier today from another poster on here and they were 100 percent correct about sunglasses.

You sort of seem to be getting people to gang up on me @peppathe3rd

Are you always a bully?

I don't agree with you but 🤷‍♀️

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 18:02

please ignore sunglasses. making light of the coercion that took place and the pressure put on young people just to go back to a semblance of the life they had known before 2020 is horrendous. no one with any sensitivity or awareness would write such things. best to ignore that person. i received the same advice earlier today from another poster on here and they were 100 percent correct about sunglasses.

I live with 4 young people ( my kids) and they happily took the vaccine. And yes they loved going back to normal life.

BeethovenNinth · 06/03/2023 18:02

That’s very belittling sunglasses. She wanted a normal student existence; she had just had covid but natural immunity meant nothing. I don’t believe for one moment she gave informed and willing consent. We have no idea what causes the skin condition but it started a week after and hasn’t gone away.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 18:11

That’s very belittling sunglasses. She wanted a normal student existence; she had just had covid but natural immunity meant nothing. I don’t believe for one moment she gave informed and willing consent. We have no idea what causes the skin condition but it started a week after and hasn’t gone away.

Sorry she didn't give informed or willing consent?

And you've no idea what caused the skin condition.

sunglassesonthetable · 06/03/2023 18:30

We got letters for a jab appointment and had to turn up so there was no way you get it without your consent.

Buzzinwithbez · 06/03/2023 21:45

Blueflag22 · 06/03/2023 16:47

Really is that why nurses and doctors were about to lose their jobs. NHS100k was formed, they protested the whole was dropped but they were all close to losing their jobs for choosing not to have the vaccine. It's like some people deliberately choose to ignore the atrocious manner in which they used covid to get people to comply. It was tyranny.

Women in Scotland suddenly had their IVF cancelled even part was through too.

GoldenAye · 07/03/2023 02:04

BeethovenNinth · 06/03/2023 18:02

That’s very belittling sunglasses. She wanted a normal student existence; she had just had covid but natural immunity meant nothing. I don’t believe for one moment she gave informed and willing consent. We have no idea what causes the skin condition but it started a week after and hasn’t gone away.

How old is she?

CrunchyCarrot · 07/03/2023 06:53

@Blueflag22 I'm proud because I DECIDE what I put in my body and yes there are doctors and medical professional saying that this vaccine was no where need tested long term, vaccines take a minimum of 7 years.

As far as I'm aware, we are all able to decide what we do or don't put in our body. What you weren't free to do was keep doing your particular job if you weren't jabbed. I disagreed with that at the time and still do, it struck me as crazy that, in professions where the UK doesn't have enough doctors, nurses, care workers, the govt was willing to reduce those numbers further, because they must have known some people would refuse to be vaccinated. Plus the elderly were the first to be vaccinated, although one must make allowances that the immune system of elderly people can be too weak to give a good response to vaccination.

I think the issue is, the world was confronted with a new virus, which was serious enough to be killing people, and something needed to be done, quickly. Humanity is fortunate now to have drugs, treatments and the ability to create vaccines, which is something it did not have for past pandemics going back centuries. Back then, you took your chances and there wasn't much you could do. Now we can. So of course, there was a tremendous rush to develop vaccines (based on existing technology, and mRNA technology already existed) and also to search for potential treatments. As it was, this was still going to take some time and so in the interim governments were faced with a choice. Do we let this tear through our populations or do we try to contain it, do we lockdown the public, if so for how long? Do we close our borders?

Then vaccines were ready, and yes it was done quickly, thanks to the incredible efforts of scientists around the globe. There was no time though to wait for 'long term testing'. What would you do if you were in charge? Would you say, we have developed a vaccine but we must wait, say, 7 years before we can be sure it can be used? How do you think the population would react to that? They'd scream they were being denied treatment!

As I see it, there is always a cost to pandemics, be it death from the virus itself, or the effects of measures used to try to contain it, such as lockdowns. Humanity cannot expect to not experience any of these. It is the cost of being human. The next pandemic will bring another new challenge, because that virus will differ from SARS-CoV-2. Hopefully we have learned from this experience but people are still going to argue and complain about what is/isn't done. There are no easy answers.

Yes you have every right to say no to being vaccinated, but there are going to be consequences to that, as there are to every other decision you make in life. I didn't agree with people losing their jobs over it, I believe the govt made a poor decision. They made quite a few poor decisions, including not being properly prepared for a pandemic!

sunglassesonthetable · 07/03/2023 08:22

Yep as far as I know you have to consent to having a vaccine. It's your prerogative.

No idea how the student mentioned previously had the jab without her consent.
And frankly don't believe it.

Everyone wanted a semblance of normal life and if you're willing to have the jab to go nightclubbing or socialising or holidaying you've weighed up your priorities as to which is more important.

I have respect for people who gave up jobs because they didn't want the vaccine, even if I don't agree with them.

CrunchyCarrot · 07/03/2023 09:06

No idea how the student mentioned previously had the jab without her consent.

I have heard this notion mentioned before, i.e. we weren't fully informed about the jab so therefore couldn't give our informed consent. I am not sure what people want. At the time vaccines were offered, we were informed to the best of the current knowledge about benefits/risks. There's no crystal ball and there was no way of knowing if there would be rare side effects. So I disagree that we weren't informed. Certainly if you go for a jab now, there will be more information that there was 2 years ago. And yes, consent was required.

Honestly I have reached the stage now where I think some people wanted a pandemic with no deaths, no vaccines or treatments, no lockdowns, no disruption to daily life, no consequences!

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