If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

@TheLittlePinkFlamingo

70% of the global population has been vaccinated. So vaccination combined with natural infection is leading to a state of hybrid immunity.

70% is not the minority. Even if those eligible for boosters have not taken them up, previous infection/vaccination is offering longer lasting protection. There is less of a threat.

70% = majority. Or do you need a simple maths lesson too?

@TheLittlePinkFlamingo

You’ve misinterpreted. I find proper scientific sources such as Healio preferable to Bitchute. “Overall, we rate Healio Pro-Science based on well-sourced peer-reviewed research and low biased and factual news. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sources and a clean fact-check record.”

www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00746-0/fulltext

www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20230120/Ucalgary-And-WHO-Researchers-Find-Hybrid-Immunity-Is-The-Best-Protection-Against-COVID-19.aspx

More than 5.51 billion people worldwide have received a dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, equal to about 71.8 percent of the world population. This map shows the stark gap between vaccination programs in different countries.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

So allow me to educate you. If you are so misinformed that you don’t even realise that 70% of the world has been vaccinated - then there is no point in even attempting to have a reasonable debate with you.

I’ll just leave you to it. Enjoy your next rant. But remember : capital letters for proper nouns, and sentences end with a full stop.

@TheLittlePinkFlamingo

Less than a third of eligible adults in the Uk alone have taken up the offer of the booster

Entirely wrong. Over 60% in the 50+ group and over 80% in the 75+ group have had the booster. Under 50s wouldn’t have taken up the offer as it wasn’t offered to them!

If you can’t even understand simple facts like this, why should we believe anything else you say?

@TheLittlePinkFlamingo

My figures - statement from the JCVI on gov.uk.
Your figures - from the Daily Mail. And you haven’t even picked up that the Daily Mail headline was “a third of adults” not “a third of eligible adults”. So the headline could reasonably read “large numbers of adults who haven’t actually been offered a booster haven’t had one”.

You’re making yourself look ridiculous and throwing insults at me isn’t going to change that.

1 dose v’s fully vaccinated : recent global figures here.

www.statista.com/statistics/1202074/share-of-population-vaccinated-covid-19-by-county-worldwide/

before I read one more time that millions have gotten it and have been fine, pls see the excess deaths happening ONLY after the vaccine was put in place, worldwide, so no “nhs is struggling” bs pls.

Please watch this video by Dr Roger Seheult, it goes a long way towards explaining excess deaths using current data, in several countries including the UK.

As for "hybrid immunity", the vaccine starts to wane in 10 weeks and as the majority of the population haven't had any covid vaccine in the last 6 months plus, how on earth can they have hybrid immunity

I don't think you fully understand 'hybrid immunity'. It's an expression coined by Dr Shane Crotty at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology - he heads a terrific research group there, you can Google him and find his lab and research interests. Anyway, I have done some work for you digging up a recent paper on the subject, a meta-analysis of hybrid immunity studies (26 in all), published this year in the Lancet:

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1473309922008015

The figures given match what @MinkyGreen posted earlier.

The interpretation given on this paper:

All estimates of protection waned within months against reinfection but remained high and sustained for hospital admission or severe disease. Individuals with hybrid immunity had the highest magnitude and durability of protection, and as a result might be able to extend the period before booster vaccinations are needed compared to individuals who have never been infected.

Google Scholar is a great resource for finding papers!

I think you are talking at crossed purposes re boosters. The booster campaign coming to an end for the under 50s is the winter 2021/22 one. The third dose.

Under 50s weren’t eligible for the autumn 22 booster (the 4th jab for most people) which is why the numbers for people who have received a covid jab in the last 3 or 6 months looks bad. It isn’t to do with uptake, just that if they had one last winter they couldn’t get one this winter.

I can’t actually find the stats for final uptake of 3rd dose in under 50s. It may involve trawling back through last years NHS data spreadsheets.

That’s a great post @CrunchyCarrot

Thanks.

I wonder why these vaccinated obsessed people on here are so rude! Truly awful (I am sure you know who you are). Truly unnecessary....

I don’t see any rudeness from supporters of the vaccine programme but don’t like seeing known facts misrepresented from those who haven’t checked out the information. There are some brilliant virologists who have done amazing work in ensuring we have good accurate medical information- there is one on Twitter who has had loads of abuse but continues to help people understand the science behind Covid and the development of vaccines.

In today's headlines: woman taken aback when internet argument becomes heated.

Ime glad to see posts from anti vaxxers have been removed from the thread. Why are they on here? The anti vaxxers try to cancel other opinion with misinformation scaring people from having the vaccine so like others say report an anti vaxxer if you see one. Vaccines are needed for three reasons

1. We need to protect the NHS
2. The vaccine reduces transmission
3. The vaccine saves lives

I will also add a 4th reason witch is long covid. Anti vaxxer friends say things like the vaccine kills people and that it doesn't stop or help death from covid. It is rubbish. I have had both the inishul vaccines and my booster shots. I am 26 but have it to protect an elderly relative who is vulnerable. Even with no health conditions I was very ill when I got covid so imagine how bad it would be if I hadn't had my vaccines. I probably wouldn't be here now or at least much worse. All my friends have had there vaccine because they aren't selfish. The only person I know who hasn't had it believes in microchips and hasnt the brain he was born with. Unlike others I follow the science and government advice which is to have my vaccine. I would urge others to do the same to keep us all as safe as possible

@loulouljh

Well one of the anti-vaccine obsessed posters has had two posts (directed at me, according to my notifications) deleted before I could even read them, so seemingly it’s not only “vaccine obsessed people” who are “so rude”

We need to protect the NHS
The vaccine reduces transmission
The vaccine saves lives

So we have to have an injection to protect a health service we pay for and that is supposed to protect us. Er right.

And as we know it has not reduced any transmission...and as to saving lives....I am doubtful re that!!!!!

I am unvaccinated. I had covid. It was a non event. My other half is unvaccinated. He has not had it. My kids are unvaccinated. One had it and felt quite poorly for a couple of days. The other has not had it. Yes just my experience but I doubt our family is unique in any way....

I don't know how people who have not had a vaccine can be called selfish. I would call it the other way round now and call those who have had it selfish. You will be the ones needing medical treatment for the injuries you have received as as a result going forward.

So we have to have an injection to protect a health service we pay for and that is supposed to protect us. Er right.

And as we know it has not reduced any transmission...and as to saving lives....I am doubtful re that!!!!!

You may be doubtful, but reams of well-researched evidence disagrees with you. I suppose your doubt should be enough to make the rest of us disregard all the highly trained and educated people producing vast quantities of studies.

You do realise that the health service 'we pay for that is supposed to protect us' is almost on the ground due to, among other things, lack of staff, which has been exacerbated by Covid? And you do realise that all the things people moan about-difficulty in getting a GP appointment, long wait times for referrals and consultant appointments, delayed procedures, delayed diagnoses, etc.- are due, in large part to both those things? So, ultimately, 'protecting the health service' so it's less overburdened adds up to protecting yourself.

Some of us are... I'm 38 and had 3 primary doses and 2 boosters

You can chose not to believe it saves lives in the face of all the evidence but it does make it difficult to take anything you say seriously.

Here are two examples to show the attitudes of the "protect the NHS" brigade.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4726779-how-can-she-be-left-like-this-take-her-back-to-ae?page=1

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4735958-doctors-ignoring-me-for-a-year-and-now-its-come-to-this?page=1

It seems its ok to give dangerous advice on here as long as its not Covid related.