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If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

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AreYouVeryAnti · 25/01/2023 23:49

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

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MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 07:15

And then from a recently published study discussing herd and hybrid immunity:

Long duration after SARS-CoV-2 exposure (6 months) and immune response confounded by vaccination, this study revealed the antibody and T-cell responses in symptomatic and asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, defined by individual immune responses in the community that may result in long-term protection as hybrid immunity.

HelpfulMonkey · 04/02/2023 07:39

Just a question - what is your background / qualifications for posting the way you do on here please @MinkyGreen?
Trying to catch up and your posting strategy seems a bit bonkers...

LT2 · 04/02/2023 07:49

No way.

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 08:13

More evidence for hybrid immunity here:

"Protection against hospitalization and severe disease remained above 95 per cent for 12 months for individuals with hybrid immunity," says Dr. Lorenzo Subissi, MSc, PhD, WHO-Scientist and senior author on the study. "We know more variants are going to emerge. The study shows to reduce infection waves, vaccinations could be timed for roll-out just prior to expected periods of higher infection spread, such as the winter season."

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 08:18

And more evidence here. These are all very recent studies.

“The data consisted of a large pool with potential hybrid immunity resulting from combined vaccination and natural infection. The authors found that previous BA.1 infection was the most protective factor against BA.2 infection (associated with a risk reduction of 72%), and gave greater protection than primary infection with pre-omicron SARS-CoV-2 (38%) or three doses of mRNA vaccine in individuals with no previous primary infection (46%). Hybrid immunity from BA.1 infection plus two to three vaccine doses similarly increased the estimated effectiveness to 96% for longer than 5 months.”

loulouljh · 04/02/2023 08:57

Transition phase my arse...they realise the game is up!!!! Now plotting another scamdemic so they can have another convenient vaccine that the sheep will all flock towards in numbers.

MeetPi · 04/02/2023 09:38

loulouljh · 04/02/2023 08:57

Transition phase my arse...they realise the game is up!!!! Now plotting another scamdemic so they can have another convenient vaccine that the sheep will all flock towards in numbers.

You sound unhinged, @loulouljh.

MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 10:25

This is also very recent regarding hybrid immunity:

A new study from researchers at Oregon Health & Science University suggests that immunity to COVID-19 becomes stronger with increasing time between vaccination and infection. These findings have important implications for vaccine recommendations as the pandemic moves towards becoming a constant presence.
Study suggests people who have had COVID-19 benefit from vaccination, even if they’ve delayed it.

Immunity from COVID-19 appears to gather strength with more time between vaccination and infection, a new laboratory study from researchers at Oregon Health & Science University suggests. The findings carry implications for vaccine recommendations as the pandemic transitions to an endemic state.

Researchers measured the antibody response in blood samples for a group of people who gained so-called “hybrid immunity” through two means: either vaccination followed by a breakthrough infection, or by getting vaccinated after contracting COVID-19. They measured the immune response in blood samples of 96 generally healthy OHSU employees and found that the immune response was uniformly stronger the longer the time period between vaccination and infection. The longest interval measured was 404 days.

Their findings suggest that vaccine boosters should be spaced no more frequently than a year apart, at least among healthy people.

“Longer intervals between natural infection and vaccination appear to strengthen immune response for otherwise healthy people,” said co-senior author Fikadu Tafesse, Ph.D., associate professor of molecular microbiology and immunology in the OHSU School of Medicine.

The study came just before an advisory panel for the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) met on Thursday, January 26, to consider the nation’s COVID-19 vaccine strategy going forward.

Published in the Journal for Clinical Investigation Insight, the new research is the latest in a series of laboratory discoveries by OHSU scientists revealing a pattern of strengthened immune response through hybrid immunity. Their findings suggest that the magnitude, potency, and breadth of hybrid immune response all increased with a longer time period between exposure to the virus — whether through vaccination or natural infection.

This likely is related to the body’s immune response maturing over time, said co-senior author Marcel Curlin, M.D., associate professor of medicine (infectious diseases) in the OHSU School of Medicine and medical director of OHSU Occupational Health.

“The immune system is learning,” Curlin said. “If you’re going to amplify a response, what this study tells us is that you might want to boost that response after a longer period of learning rather than early after exposure.”

Further, the research team found that it didn’t matter whether someone developed hybrid immunity by getting vaccinated after contracting COVID-19 or after a breakthrough infection following vaccination. Both groups developed an equally potent immune response.

The findings suggest long-lasting potency of so-called “memory cells,” the B cells that recognize an invading virus and generate protein antibodies to neutralize the virus and its many variants. The authors write that an ever-growing pool of people who have contracted the SARS-CoV-2 virus stand to benefit from vaccination, even if they’ve delayed it until now.

Relying on natural infection alone is a bad idea, “given the risks of severe illness, long-term complications, and death,” the authors write.

The researchers say the findings are the latest to point toward the virus evolving to an endemic state.

BananaHamhock · 04/02/2023 12:13

@MeetPi it's possible. Tony Blair has spoken about this scenario at the world economic forum this year insinuation that they are already developing vaccines for the next pandemic.

Was going to type out a lot more, but you'll also view my comments as unhinged and conspiracy theories until they become real...

DoraSpenlow · 04/02/2023 13:54

loulouljh · 04/02/2023 08:57

Transition phase my arse...they realise the game is up!!!! Now plotting another scamdemic so they can have another convenient vaccine that the sheep will all flock towards in numbers.

For what purpose? Why do you think they are plotting a new virus? I truly don't understand why anyone could think this is the case and the reasons behind it. Willing to be educated.

MaybeSmaller · 04/02/2023 14:03

Picklypickles · 26/01/2023 13:04

I got the first 2 jabs but never bothered with the 3rd and haven't bothered with any boosters or anything since.

Same here although I've only been offered the one booster.
I was happy to get the original two-shot AZ vaccine in 2021, but I felt that when Johnson got in front of the podium with the "GET BOOSTED NOW" silly slogan that the goalposts were moving and they were taking a scattergun approach without really knowing what they were doing. So I decided to hold off until things settled down.
Now that the booster isn't even going to be recommended for healthy under-50s, I'm certainly not going to rush to get one so they can clear out their stocks or whatever.

loulouljh · 04/02/2023 17:07

Definitely not unhinged! Do some research and enlighten yourselves...things are very different to how they seem. And no not some conspiracy....

Parker231 · 04/02/2023 17:31

Future pandemics are inevitable but hopefully the virologists are as quick in coming up with a vaccine.

TheLittlePinkFlamingo · 04/02/2023 21:54

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MinkyGreen · 04/02/2023 23:06

@TheLittlePinkFlamingo

what are you talking about? I’ve stated the source for the article. Plagiarised means fraudulently claiming someone else’s work is my own work. Where did I try and pass it off as my own study?

If you can’t used simple terms such as ‘plagiarised’ correctly - that’s not really going to give any gravitas to your ‘views’.

They may have caught Covid - but not been hospitalised or severely affected.

We are achieving hybrid immunity.

All you are doing is illustrating your very poor understanding and not coming across as well informed at all.

So probably best to continue to let you pee in the wind. Anyone sensible reading your comments would automatically dismiss them.

MeetPi · 05/02/2023 00:19

BananaHamhock · 04/02/2023 12:13

@MeetPi it's possible. Tony Blair has spoken about this scenario at the world economic forum this year insinuation that they are already developing vaccines for the next pandemic.

Was going to type out a lot more, but you'll also view my comments as unhinged and conspiracy theories until they become real...

As far as I could tell (as I'm not going to sit through a 1hr video and I couldn't find a transcript), TB was part of a panel titled '100 Days to Outrace the Next Pandemic'. This is obviously enormously triggering for anti-vaxxers who cannot see a need to plan ahead for global public health crises that also affect economies. (If anyone find a transcript I'd like to read it.)

TheLittlePinkFlamingo · 05/02/2023 00:23

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MinkyGreen · 05/02/2023 01:26

@TheLittlePinkFlamingo

You need to read up to date studies. It’s 2023 now. Hybrid immunity is showing longer lasting protection.

If you can’t keep up with latest developments and still have your head stuck in articles from 2021 - well that’s a bit embarrassing isn’t it?

MinkyGreen · 05/02/2023 01:33

But please do keep posting. It’s such utter nonsense that it would only support any pro-science argument. Along with your poor grammar and misunderstanding of terms such as ‘plagiarised’.

afinishedkiss · 05/02/2023 01:48

No, not a hope.

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MinkyGreen · 05/02/2023 02:07

@TheLittlePinkFlamingo

I’ve already linked several recent studies.

People who are vaccinated and have previously been infected with COVID-19 had a 97% reduced chance of severe COVID-19 infection 1 year after their last vaccination or infection, researchers determined.

www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20230201/hybrid-covid19-immunity-offers-higher-protection-versus-vs-previous-infection-alone

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