AIBU to be sick of people who think it's all back to normal?

[JanusTheFirst]

Woke to the news that my cousin died early this morning of Covid. No underlying conditions and she was vaccinated. But she was elderly. She hardly ever went out but must have picked it up on a rare outing to the local shop.

People are still dying and we should still be looking out for those vulnerable to this awful disease. It isn't all back to normal. My cousin is dead and she wouldn't be but for Covid.

I agree complete.
However there are also many people who can fund tests and isolate, but don't.
A friend gleefully told me she had sent her sick children into school before Christmas because she had planned to wrap presents and go to the gym that morning (she's a sahm). Now ok, the gym is important and presents need wrapping, but I was a bit shocked that there was absolutely no thought given to the fact that other children/families may now get ill or have to isolate over Christmas. My DC is in the same class so I was a bit cross and found her behaviour self-centered I have to say.
We"re in Ireland so there are no fines for being absent from school. I must say the system in the UK seems odd given what we've (hopefully) learned from rhe pandemic.

@Grassisbluer agree that's an unkind thing to do.

Loving the really helpful entreaties to stay at home if you're ill.

Unfortunately the majority of employers don't agree. And most people aren't testing anyway, not because they're selfish arseholes but because tests cost money that a lot of people just don't have.

I'm CEV, I've had covid nine times, and it's shit. I have new health issues that are a direct result of my many covid infections. But I also know that life cannot be paused indefinitely and that people have no choice but to earn a living.

I'm sorry for your loss OP 💐

DD is a teacher and at her school children (and staff) have to come in if they're well enough even if positive. She's brought covid home countless times. It's a pain in the arse but it is what it is.

DD is a teacher and at her school children (and staff) have to come in if they're well enough even if positive. She's brought covid home countless times. It's a pain in the arse but it is what it is.

I think that must vary from country to country. In Ireland schools are sending letters home asking that kids not be sent in to school sick. You're still supposed to isolate for 7 days if Covid positive. Many have stopped testing. Often for very good reason, I know, but not always. Glad we don't have to worry about fines at least.

My son goes to a special school,some children at his school have profound and multiple learning disabilities,and as such are on oxygen and tube Fed so extremely clinically vulnerable ,the advice from school is for staff and pupils to come in if they are well enough even if they have some symptoms

@x2boys I think with special schools the balance of needs is different though. It's more important for their students to have the continuous support provided by school. I think there are very good reasons behind that advice that is not applicable to every school

Yep. DD works at a SEND school with children with the vulnerabilities you describe.

There you are. The casual eugenicist.

Fgs its not eugenics to understand that elderly people die and this cant be prevented.

The solution shouldnt be worse than the problem. Most of us have lost beloved family members for all sorts of reasons I imagine. Majority of people are still making efforts to avoid getting covid or passing it on, but we are so fatigued by very intrusive inconvemient and overreaching rules that dont allow for decent quality of life and for us to be close to our friends and familys.
Covid really brought home what is important to me. A lot of lockdown restrictions made life feel barely worth living.
I work with the elderly a lot and I have to work with them even when they are covid positive. I cannot avoid it, but im not going to reduce my quality of life further in my own time out of some sense of duty to others that doesnt seem to extend to me or my family.

Sorry about your cousin, sad as it is, we cant stop all illness and untimely death, so YABU.

we can no more keep up restrictions for Covid than we can for anything else that might kill people. There’s no point in doing anything now to try and contain Covid. It’s here to stay and is what it is.

Yikes! Offensive @thewinterwitch . You don’t know what eugenics is but that’s no excuse to be rude.

I did do that when I had Covid but I could still have spread it before I felt ill. That’s the problem with Covid.

and yes after all the years of crap it is too much to expect people to give up yet more for the wider community.

illness happens and it’s sad for your cousin but you have no proof whatsoever someone was knowingly ill and spreading it

I did do that when I had Covid but I could still have spread it before I felt ill. That’s the problem with Covid.
and yes after all the years of crap it is too much to expect people to give up yet more for the wider community.

But if you wear a mask while you're feeling ill at least it minimises the spread...yes, you may have spread it (Covid, flu, whatever) before you knew you had it, but that doesn't necessarily mean you need to keep spreading it once you realise you're sick.
I don't really get the all or nothing approach.

However there are also many people who can fund tests and isolate, but don't

Financially I can fund tests and isolate. Mentally, I can’t.

Yes, that does raise the point of what exactly qualifies one person to decide that someone else 'could' isolate. Inevitably there's a degree of arrogance there, the assumption that the person who's judging is better qualified to decide on what constitutes a legitimate priority than the person who they've decided is in the wrong.

Now I don't doubt that some of the bogeymen we're talking about exist, indeed in a population of sixty odd million I'd be amazed if there aren't at least some people who are complete sociopaths who try and spread disease on purpose. But ultimately, this is something that's spreading mostly asymptomatically anyway, and we're three years into an incredibly trying period that's heartily tested most of our resources. Mental, emotional, financial, physical, labour. With that in mind, it's worth thinking critically about who gets to pronounce on other people's reasons and how we respond to that.

At this point isolating because you think you might have covid is seen as some sort of excuse in most of not all workplaces even the nhs

Staying home because you have a cold is impossible and stupid

the only exceptions I’d make is I wouldn’t visit someone who was having chemo, a tiny new baby or go to baby group if I was full of it. Work is fair game so is shopping, weekends away etc

What a disgusting comment.

I'm 50, so not (that!) old, but I also have several underlying conditions which make me more vulnerable to covid. I'm currently on my ninth infection, thankfully all have been manageable, but I know that the time may come when an infection won't be manageable.

I'm one of the people want to 'protect'. But I've seen what two years of restrictions did to DD and her contemporaries. Their mental health was, and still is, in the toilet. Opportunities dried up and haven't recovered. Many haven't bounced back and I suspect that many won't for a long time.

Personally, the idea of locking down again to 'protect' me at the expense of young people is just horrific.

One of those people that people want to protect, even!

Very sorry for your loss OP
But I am not volunteering for any restrictions

This is one of the most compassionate posts I've read. I'm so sorry that this has happened to your daughter and her friends. It's hit one of mine particularly hard.
Wishing you all the best.

But I didn’t go out when I was ill, I stayed at home. But I could have been infectious before I was ill. And it was the summer where no one was wearing masks at all.

But I didn’t go out when I was ill, I stayed at home. But I could have been infectious before I was ill. And it was the summer where no one was wearing masks at all.

Some of us were still wearing masks! My daughter has long covid and I don't want to catch it and pass it on to her and make her more poorly. People are not only dying from Covid, man are suffering with long Covid and tbh it's like they're invisible, nobody seems to care. The covid clinics are crap unless you've got an ongoing respiratory problem.

Many sorry not man

What a disgusting comment.

Oh, I see you're not familiar with Cuppasoup's oeuvre - where she relentlessly champions for the disposal of the elderly, in general, not just with regard to Covid.