AIBU to be sick of people who think it's all back to normal?

[JanusTheFirst]

Woke to the news that my cousin died early this morning of Covid. No underlying conditions and she was vaccinated. But she was elderly. She hardly ever went out but must have picked it up on a rare outing to the local shop.

People are still dying and we should still be looking out for those vulnerable to this awful disease. It isn't all back to normal. My cousin is dead and she wouldn't be but for Covid.

Maybe she would have done but the likes of you would be a problem, making the elderly feel as though they are a burden, that they live too long.

What age do you think the elderly should be euthanised from? Retirement age? 70 maybe (I'm not sure 68 year old DH would agree there)?

I don’t think they ‘should be euthanised’, why are you being so silly and over the top?

You're the one who brought euthanasia into the discussion. Not @PinkSparklyPussyCat - and it's right in character for you.

Both would receive care. The care would be triaged according to their differing requirements (ie. dependent on the 90-year-old physical and mental state, care might be more palliative-based). Both would be as comfortable and pain-free as I could make them.

I don't think there would be a case of no beds available for one or the other - just care options.

What you seem to struggling with is that Covid disproportionately affects the older and vulnerable populations, meaning they are naturally prioritised in health systems due to, you know, not being able to breathe and dying. You might just have to cope with that for a little bit longer - let's hope not long.

Not 70 please, I'm 70 in a few months and bringing up a GC. He isn't ready to fly the nest just yet.

71 then 😉

Well that would be cutting it fine but it might work.

OP I agree we should still be testing isolating and wearing masks.

So does Professor Susan Hopkins, chief medical adviser at the UK Health Security Agency
news.sky.com/story/ukhsa-warns-adults-to-stay-home-or-wear-face-covering-when-going-out-if-feeling-unwell-12778668

But I'm sure there are still some unqualified posters here who disagree. Disappointing but not surprising anymore.

We can't organise her funeral yet, the waiting list is so long. At least 3 weeks for a time when it would be easy for people to attend.

Thanks again for the messages of sympathy.

But I'm sure there are still some unqualified posters here who disagree. Disappointing but not surprising anymore.

As covered at length on here, not everyone is in a position to fund tests or isolate. So you can find it as 'disappointing' as you like, but as you're not actually engaging with people's realities, it's meaningless.

The message is perfectly sensible actually if you feel unwell stay at home or wear a mask and isnt COVID specfic. It is something we should be following.

But we seem to have gotten into a mindset that somehow keeping on going when ill is a good thing and that taking time off is wrong.

Coupled with some workplace sickness policies and school attendance policies (my dislike of which could cover a thread on its own) the mixed messaging coming out is not helping.

People get ill - rest and recuperation at home is always the best policy it is just not always that easy to do

But we seem to have gotten into a mindset that somehow keeping on going when ill is a good thing and that taking time off is wrong

I don't see people advocating for going to work / socialising while feeling ill.

But asymptomatic spread has always been an issue with covid.

We can't organise her funeral yet, the waiting list is so long. At least 3 weeks for a time when it would be easy for people to attend.

Way before Covid in 2015 it was 3 weeks from death to funeral due to waiting times for the crematorium and in 2016 it was 4 weeks when we had to organise funerals for relatives who had died.

My friends mother died beg of December 2016 and the funeral was on 5 jan 2017. Long waits are not a new thing.

I'm sorry for your loss.

What is the relevance of this? The OP did not connect the long wait with Covid. She merely said the waiting list was long. It can't have been easy for you and it isn't easy for her. I am shocked at how long people have to wait to bury their loved ones in England. Here in NI, 3 or 4 days is the norm, a week is pushing it and two weeks is unthinkable.

Not on here - but look at school attendance policies where you are often punished for low attendance. DD is at 89% at the moment because she had time off for Covid. If she was at a school where she needed to reach a certain level to get a reward it would be difficult.

Often people cant take time off as they need the money etc. The article the OP highlighted had a sensible message but it is one that needs help supporting from the Government.

I dont think we are disagreeing actually as the above is a long term issue and not specfic to Covid at all

Yep, I got a school letter last year after my DC attendance fell below 96%. The large majority of which was legally required isolation, when they wouldn't have been allowed to let them in anyway. I presume the school sent it because they were told to, but fuck me it was stupid. I know people who haven't done the 48 hour rule because they've had a letter. It's a policy decision that has entirely predictable consequences.

Yes, I’m with you about school attendance. Our DD2 (now 10) had her attendance go down to 89% last school year and is under monitoring, because it was under 90%. And all because she had to be off school for 8 days with Covid. She missed the end of term, which really upset her.

And all because the legal requirement was still 10 days! It went down to 5 the following term. She could have been back in school for the whole of the last week of term otherwise, as she was fully recovered after the previous weekend.

Yes that's a fair point about school attendance. Some bizarre mixed messaging there.

You literally said this one post ago @Cuppasoupmonster in reference to someone's elderly but otherwise well mum when talking about the issue of an aging population@:

Euthanasia? Her choice obviously and sounds like an option she may have considered?

Seems a little crackers to say someone is being silly when you're the one who brought it up!

All the people saying this, what are you suggesting as a solution?

Like most, I agree intensive medical intervention for the eldery is unethical for both the person and society.

But people are living longer due to better quality of life from birth (maybe this will change in the next decade or so......) meaning there are ever increasing numbers of people in their 70s, 80s, 90s who are living perfectly fine without intensive medical intervention.

What do you want to happen? Everyone to be killed off once you've finishing your working life? Statins/anti-hypertensives/antibiotics to no longer be prescribed when you hit 70?

I feel there will be a influx of posters saying "sure, euthanise me/my mum/my brother on our 69th birthday", but no one actually thinks like that in reality. Surely?!

All the people saying this, what are you suggesting as a solution?

Like most, I agree intensive medical intervention for the eldery is unethical for both the person and society.

But people are living longer due to better quality of life from birth (maybe this will change in the next decade or so......) meaning there are ever increasing numbers of people in their 70s, 80s, 90s who are living perfectly fine without intensive medical intervention.

What do you want to happen? Everyone to be killed off once you've finishing your working life? Statins/anti-hypertensives/antibiotics to no longer be prescribed when you hit 70?

I feel there will be a influx of posters saying "sure, euthanise me/my mum/my brother on our 69th birthday", but no one actually thinks like that in reality. Surely?!

All the people saying this, what are you suggesting as a solution?

Like most, I agree intensive medical intervention for the eldery is unethical for both the person and society.

But people are living longer due to better quality of life from birth (maybe this will change in the next decade or so......) meaning there are ever increasing numbers of people in their 70s, 80s, 90s who are living perfectly fine without intensive medical intervention.

What do you want to happen? Everyone to be killed off once you've finished your working life? Statins/anti-hypertensives/antibiotics to no longer be prescribed when you hit 70?

I feel there will be a influx of posters saying "sure, euthanise me/my mum/my brother on our 69th birthday", but no one actually thinks like that in reality. Surely?!

But again now do you propose people try to keep thei heads above water if they are not being paid to self isolate ,as I have said a few times on this thread my dh,has,had a virus ( getting better now) for the past,week tbh, he could have done with a few days off work to recover ,but due to other underlying health issues his employers have deemed he's already had to much time off sick so.is currently on a warning ,if he hadent gone in he would have lost his job ,not everyone ha s the luxury of working from home ,you might think he's selfish but he's putting his family before others .

I don't see people advocating for going to work / socialising while feeling ill.

I'll be honest and say that DH has this year, repeatedly. Self-employed so it's partly the no-work-no-pay thing but also if your client has reserved you services and you pull out last minute it causes huge knock-on problems for them and potentially reputational damage for you, so you don't unless it's literally life and death. Pull out several times for colds and you'll not get any more work.