AIBU to be sick of people who think it's all back to normal?

[JanusTheFirst]

Woke to the news that my cousin died early this morning of Covid. No underlying conditions and she was vaccinated. But she was elderly. She hardly ever went out but must have picked it up on a rare outing to the local shop.

People are still dying and we should still be looking out for those vulnerable to this awful disease. It isn't all back to normal. My cousin is dead and she wouldn't be but for Covid.

It's worth watching Undeclared War. Fiction and entertaining...but interesting.

I do wonder about bots since dissent was squashed so forcefully until recently. I also think obviously emotions run high on this one so there's going to be a lot of for and against and people posting black is white and missing any shades of grey, so on the whole, I agree with your comment.

Not what I said. Read again?

@MarshaBradyo

Just post what you want and make a point if you can without it. There’s no point thinking everyone is fake because you are in the minority.

That isn't what I said, Marsha. It's well-established bot-farms operate to influence public opinion - even here. I'm sorry you aren't able to process that.

"I ask for simple measures ...."

What simple measures are you actually asking for? Because I'm not sure I agree that they are 'simple'. I think most of what you said you wanted, I disagreed with, earlier in the thread, and I believe I gave sensible reasons for my objections.

This is making me laugh but ok if you want to apologise go for it.

OK then. So what makes you so sure it’s MY opinion being influenced by a “bot farm” and not your opinion that’s been heavily influenced by dark forces? 😁

Oh, there's no way everyone posting here is genuine. The two fairly obvious wind up merchants on this thread have been arguing in favour of restrictions, but then that doesn't mean they do actually think that.

@BadShepherd

OK then. So what makes you so sure it’s MY opinion being influenced by a “bot farm” and not your opinion that’s been heavily influenced by dark forces? 😁

Everyone's opinion has. Some more than others, that's all. It's worth looking into, rather than simply dismissing.

On messaging being effective yes I do think behavioural groups used very effective methods for compliance, we didn’t have much enforcement other than that.

What we’re seeing now is people less impacted by that, so the majority is not really considering Covid anymore. I’m happy with that. Very much so, tbh

Do you equated ‘anything and everything’ with ‘no treatment’? You’re a bright spark with a flare for debate, aren’t you? 😂

@Cuppasoupmonster

Do you equated ‘anything and everything’ with ‘no treatment’? You’re a bright spark with a flare for debate, aren’t you? 😂

Uh huh.Given your responses on this and other threads, this doesn't fill me confidence. How about some role-play? You're in charge of pandemic response. How do you treat the elderly and vulnerable in society?

@MeetPi it depends. I believe if you have a 90 year old with a 90% chance of demise without treatment, and a 40 year old with a 50% chance of demise without treatment, the 40 year old should be prioritised. Posters like you seem to struggle with the concept of us having finite resources and instead have a Disney-like view of the world where ‘every live matters’ and we have the capability of granting every possible treatment without detriment to others. We don’t. And given the state some elderly people are in, it’s cruel to do so. I won’t apologise for believing in times of high pressure and crisis, the young should be prioritised over the elderly.

Now let’s role play back. Who gets the bed in your view - 40 year old or 90 year old?

I'm in Ireland and in the last few weeks we've been sent info from the HSE (our NHS), via the schools, headlined

"Is your child unwell?
Keep them at home"

And then more info about viral infections and Strep A.
It's clear they don't want sick children mixing with others and spreading infection. The HSE is still considering Covid and other infections and trying to protect the hospitals from being overrun. There is a change of mindset. I can't remember ever being sent notices like this before Covid - general information, yes, but not letters to every parent in the country.

@Cuppasoupmonster
This is where we were heading and why the initial lockdown was needed in 2020

The aim is for society to function in such away that war zone conditions where someone uses lipstick to mark those to treat v those to leave isn't part of everyday life.

I would hope that palliative care would be available even for those unlikely to recover. But this isn't the case we have people waiting over 24 hrs for an ambulances. We have oxygen being at risk of running out in hospitals. That is this year and the situation is concerning.
We saw the scenes in Italy early in 2020 we lockdown to avoid that here.

We all read of those that had dnr added to medical notes without knowledge some were children with sen

I trust that in bad situations medical professional will make necessary decisions on prioritizing treatment on need and prognosis. I don't think any of them wanted to be in that position again.

Some medical staff are traumatised by decisions they had to make, one of my kids is married to a doctor who is considering leaving medicine.

@ancientgran

I think many people have forgotten how bad things were/where things would have gone without the restrictions.

Just wanted to say so sorry again for your loss OP. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, and some people can't afford tests and to have time off work - Totally get that. I just find it quite sad that some people seem almost proud of how they won't do anything to try and lessen the spread of Covid, and are basically boasting to the OP how they don't care about others. It's almost a competition with some about who cares the least! Just have some empathy please. People can disagree without having to be so uncaring in their delivery.

@nothingleftttt well who would want to be? But it may be a necessity. This is the issue with MN - it just repeats the ‘optimum’ or perfect scenario rather than dealing with what is realistically possible.

I would have thought that deciding priorities would be easy for you; just flag the elderly as - what was that phrase you used on another thread? - oh yes. 'Living too long.'

I'm sorry for your loss, OP, and you're not alone in the way you feel.

As to those people who think it's not worth doing anything if it only stops a few elderly people dying - the strep A that's been in the news for killing some children is a bacterial infection, and it's well known that a previous viral infection makes us more vulnerable to those (like a secondary bacterial chest infection following on from flu).

The benefit of each of us being as careful as we can be not to catch and spread too many viruses (and what that looks like will be different for different people) is that we reduce those secondary bacterial infections too.

As a population we are living too long. A population can only thrive when a certain percentage are able to work and are young, it doesn’t thrive as a reverse pyramid. Surely you understand this?

Having an ageing demographic is problematic, I think when you look at it without personalising it many papers etc are written on the issues it brings.

So what do you suggest? MIL refused all medication apart from paracetamol and antihistamines and still lived until she was 100. That was despite being told she should be on blood thinners and heart meds.

Euthanasia? Her choice obviously and sounds like an option she may have considered?