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AIBU to be sick of people who think it's all back to normal?

794 replies

JanusTheFirst · 01/01/2023 09:16

Woke to the news that my cousin died early this morning of Covid. No underlying conditions and she was vaccinated. But she was elderly. She hardly ever went out but must have picked it up on a rare outing to the local shop.

People are still dying and we should still be looking out for those vulnerable to this awful disease. It isn't all back to normal. My cousin is dead and she wouldn't be but for Covid.

OP posts:
HisNameWasMike · 01/01/2023 21:18

TurquoiseBeach · 01/01/2023 21:01

So sorry for your loss OP. HRFT but have read your posts. Yes we should be doing more to protect each other. Yes some people really don't give a shit who they harm.

How selfish of you.

Grassisbluer · 01/01/2023 21:18

In order to protect the over 80's and vulnerable from an illness with a 99% survival rate...

But the whole thinking behind lockdown was to protect the NHS wasn't it, not the over 80s or vulnerable specifically?

Cuppasoupmonster · 01/01/2023 21:37

Grassisbluer · 01/01/2023 21:18

In order to protect the over 80's and vulnerable from an illness with a 99% survival rate...

But the whole thinking behind lockdown was to protect the NHS wasn't it, not the over 80s or vulnerable specifically?

It was to protect the tories’ voting base. They were hardly going to prioritise the young and working were they?

MarshaBradyo · 01/01/2023 21:39

Cuppasoupmonster · 01/01/2023 21:37

It was to protect the tories’ voting base. They were hardly going to prioritise the young and working were they?

Not sure about this, Labour seemed even more keen on lockdowns etc and certainly voted that way in HoC

Jourdain11 · 01/01/2023 21:57

MarshaBradyo · 01/01/2023 21:39

Not sure about this, Labour seemed even more keen on lockdowns etc and certainly voted that way in HoC

I wonder what Corbyn would have been like on lockdowns, if he had still been LOTO. I know he was in March, but it was kind of just filling time till the next leader at that point.

lovescats3 · 01/01/2023 21:57

We had lockdowns because we had no vaccines - people need to remember that

Wishfulthinking1977 · 01/01/2023 21:58

I do feel for you OP but we cannot become a society that blames others for their illness. Ultimately masks don't have any impact on the spread of a virus due to the variable opportunities for infection and the way viruses spread.Testing as others have said is hit and miss, you can be negative one hour and positive the next. Unfortunately due to the lockdowns and furlough there is no money left to provide adequate financial support for sick leave. From my own perspective the elderly etc don't want their lives put on hold for any lonas they feel they have lost alot of time already. I do feel for those struggling with long covid but I am hopeful that help and treatments will be soon forthcoming. There is going to be no going back to any restrictions as the goodwill was used up. I also have alot of sympathy for those that were affected by the restrictions. I am luckily one who although my business was destroyed and my kids jobs and mh was fucked up. I didn't suffer financially as DH worked all the way through! We need to move on as a society to stop putting the blame on others unless they are intentionally responsible. We are all responsible for our own wellbeing and asking others to be especially after most have given up so much in the last two years is unrealistic.

Cuppasoupmonster · 01/01/2023 21:59

MarshaBradyo · 01/01/2023 21:39

Not sure about this, Labour seemed even more keen on lockdowns etc and certainly voted that way in HoC

They still need the elderly vote too! It’s the biggest voting demographic

SirMingeALot · 01/01/2023 22:03

The Tories pretty obviously didn't want a lockdown initially, however. I think it's more complex than just base protecting. They usually love nothing more than throwing younger people under the bus while they prioritise their support bloc, but not sure that's what this was.

ancientgran · 01/01/2023 22:16

SalYPimienta · 01/01/2023 14:48

This is the entire point. It's not a year-round issue. It's not a cause for hysteria and 'oh my God my freeeeeedoms'. The NHS is under a lot of pressure right now and it's basic common sense to try not to catch a virus that might put you in hospital. We now have Covid on top of the usual flu that causes problems every winter. The NHS just isn't coping.

That doesn't mean locking yourself in your house, it means taking this into consideration when making decisions. I've started to wear an FFP2 mask again when going pretty much anywhere enclosed. I had stopped wearing it last year after the big Omicron wave and I'll probably stop wearing it again in a few weeks, but if I can do small simple things like this to try to reduce my chances of getting sick, I'll do them. I'm genuinely not sure why people find it so challenging.

The thing I find confusing is the people who are most vociferous about no lockdowns also seem to be the people who object to simple measures that would stop covid/flu/anything else spread.

I know people argue that lockdown didn't work but apparently colds and flu dropped drastically and I don't think that is a coincidence, I think it must be because of masks/hygiene/ventilation and yes even lockdowns but I think people have a distorted view of lockdowns, they talk about two years with people missing out on this that and the other but we weren't locked down for 2 years were we.

Allsnotwell · 01/01/2023 22:19

I work in a school and we were religious about hand washings -

This stopped this year and this winter we had more children absent due to illness (not necessarily Covid) but hand washing is defiantly a factor.

ancientgran · 01/01/2023 22:29

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 01/01/2023 14:48

You do realise many people are asymptomatic? What are they supposed to do?

Many people can't work from home and don't get sick pay. They have no choice but to work, or do you expect them to lose their jobs, homes etc.?

Yes I've had it twice, once was asymptomatic once was very much syptomatic and nearly a year later I haven't fully recovered. If everyone with symptoms isolated it would reduce the spread, fewer people would get it, less pressure on the NHS.

People really shouldn't be losing their jobs because they isolate for 1 week and they are less likely to need to do it again if everyone stops going out when they are ill.

WaddleAway · 01/01/2023 22:30

Allsnotwell · 01/01/2023 22:19

I work in a school and we were religious about hand washings -

This stopped this year and this winter we had more children absent due to illness (not necessarily Covid) but hand washing is defiantly a factor.

Our school is still religious about hand washing but the number of absences for illness have been through the roof over the past few months.

ancientgran · 01/01/2023 22:31

Allsnotwell · 01/01/2023 22:19

I work in a school and we were religious about hand washings -

This stopped this year and this winter we had more children absent due to illness (not necessarily Covid) but hand washing is defiantly a factor.

It seems like madness to ignore simple measures like that. If we don't want lockdowns, and I don't know anyway who does, then surely doing things like being careful with hygiene is essential.

Cuppasoupmonster · 01/01/2023 22:34

This one, I had a hoot reading it!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/telly_addicts/3754801-The-Baby-Has-Landed

ancientgran · 01/01/2023 22:34

Grassisbluer · 01/01/2023 21:18

In order to protect the over 80's and vulnerable from an illness with a 99% survival rate...

But the whole thinking behind lockdown was to protect the NHS wasn't it, not the over 80s or vulnerable specifically?

Yes it was but that doesn't suit some people.

Cuppasoupmonster · 01/01/2023 22:34

Wrong thread ignore that 🤦🏼‍♀️

poefaced · 01/01/2023 22:39

ancientgran · 01/01/2023 22:29

Yes I've had it twice, once was asymptomatic once was very much syptomatic and nearly a year later I haven't fully recovered. If everyone with symptoms isolated it would reduce the spread, fewer people would get it, less pressure on the NHS.

People really shouldn't be losing their jobs because they isolate for 1 week and they are less likely to need to do it again if everyone stops going out when they are ill.

People really shouldn't be losing their jobs because they isolate for 1 week

I’m sure they’ll be comforted by you saying they shouldn’t lose their jobs 🙄

lljkk · 01/01/2023 22:41

If you want to live your life like it's 2020, crack on.
I'm not willing to forego seeing family & old friends.
I know 5 or 6 young adults with MH struggles that seem to have arisen because of social isolation & worry about their loved ones during the pandemic.
I hear stories about many other young people who have struggled with MH in last 3 years. More stories than I heard about when my older offspring were similar ages.

The young have paid a high enough price already for Covid control.

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 23:03

Absolutely- ironically the anti lockdown era make lockdowns more likely by opposing the common sense protective measures that reduce the likelihood of lockdowns.

Testing, isolation, social distancing, ventilation, masks, rule of 6, hospitality curfew are all light touch measures that would reduce infections and protect the NHS.

Cuppasoupmonster · 01/01/2023 23:05

There isn’t going to be a bloody lockdown Londoncat 😂

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 23:09

@Cuppasoupmonster

You've just demonstrated my point. No one is proposing a lockdown- we need common sense protections and possibly local lockdowns as an exceptional measure when necessary.

SadOrWickedFairy · 01/01/2023 23:17

Grassisbluer · 01/01/2023 21:18

In order to protect the over 80's and vulnerable from an illness with a 99% survival rate...

But the whole thinking behind lockdown was to protect the NHS wasn't it, not the over 80s or vulnerable specifically?

You are quite right it was to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, to manage the flow of cases. Somehow it morphed into 'don't kill Granny' and the blame for the lockdowns and other restrictions was pointed squarely at the elderly and vulnerable as some posts on this thread have amply demonstrated. Now we have people still parroting the 'don't kill Granny' line to blame, shame and to bring back restrictions.

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 23:18

Other experts now reporting on the Kraken variant and how protective measures are needed.

Thank you @trishgreenhalgh This is what we didn’t want. But if it’s what we are going to have to deal with, we should use what we have learned and deal with it better this time.

twitter.com/drclairetaylor/status/1609651744371363841?s=46&t=2KBE-Tasfm5_LQiiqtmwoQ

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 23:21

Councillor Oliver Patrick now calling for schools to move to zoom learning in light of the new variant

And because no variant, not even the Kraken #XBB15, can evolve to beat an air filter. Or a well-fitting respirator. No variant can spread via Zoom. There are many things we can do to stop Covid causing more death and disability. We should be doing more of them. Happy 2023!

twitter.com/libdempatrick/status/1609675029020815360?s=46&t=2KBE-Tasfm5_LQiiqtmwoQ