To Think People Don't Know Covid Harms The Immune System

[Sunshineguy]

Many people are blaming the unusually severe winter bugs on so-called 'immunity debt', the false idea a prolonged period of health makes one more susceptible to infections. Two countries disprove this theory. Sweden was largely open and had a large wave of RSV hospitalizations in 2021 and an even larger one this year. Japan was largely closed, and now it's opened up only had a tiny number of people hospitalized for RSV.

The WHO is warning Covid-19 causes immune dysfunction.

twitter.com/Sandyboots2020/status/1608402400817336322?t=Jj_Kz6Bxhk04sP_osKOGEg&s=19

And evidence is amassing of the range of immune damage done by the virus:

twitter.com/jeffgilchrist/status/1605958004163084292?t=WMTYOfFYmveyzE9aVt9Ppg&s=19

If the immunity debt isn't repaid in 2023, and people keep experiencing more sickness than usual, will we all accept this SARS virus will never be a common cold?

So what’s the answer? We’ve still got to learn to live with it.

There is a covid section to post covid stuff

So?

Isn’t there a topic for this? YABU not posting this in it.

I really don't care.

Many people are blaming the unusually severe winter bugs on so-called 'immunity debt', the false idea a prolonged period of health makes one more susceptible to infections

If the immunity debt isn't repaid in 2023 and people keep experiencing more sickness than usual, will we all accept this SARS virus will never be a common cold?

How can the immunity debt be simultaneously a false idea yet need to be repaid? aren't those contradictory statements?

YANBU, unfortunately lots of people are ignorant to lots of things, something this site reminds me of daily

All viruses have a similar effect to a lesser or greater degree.

I actually like it when posters use AIBU to highlight issues some people wouldn't otherwise be aware of. It's like the chicken and the egg. No one will think 'oh I better check out the covid section in case there's a thread there about something I wasn't aware of' 🤷🏻‍♀️

YANBU. I would vote if I could. However more evidence is needed

I don’t. I prefer it in the Covid topic. Which I have hidden.

I've been ill several times since having Covid after a long time being well. It came as a shock!

So what? What is the point of your post? The perpetually anxious will agree with you and sagely nod their heads from behind their masks, everyone else is just cracking on. What do you want from people?

But what are we meant to do with this information?

There's no way the UK and many other countries is going to reintroduce restrictions. The vaccination doesn't work against new variants. And we can't live life behind closed doors or avoiding people any longer. We are back in offices, back in classrooms, back in crowded places where most people aren't wearing masks or testing (for all the good that did).

I think people are becoming more and more aware of the potential long term problems of course. As time goes on and people go through it, we get more information.

What can be done though beyond trying to keep up with vaccinating?

Immunity debt doesn't exist but has to be repaid? Sunak style maths?

That's two of us asking. I assume as well that the OP meant to type the false idea a prolonged period of ILL health makes one more susceptible to infections. Is it a false idea? seems pretty obvious to me that if you are continually ill your immune system is weakened and makes you more susceptible.

To educate and inform maybe?

Maybe you haven’t understood the post

Yeah. And chicken pox can cause scarring as well as shingles. Doesn't mean we can all live in a plastic box from birth to avoid it.

Stop peddling bullshit if you’re one of those people who thinks people are getting more unwell now due to being in covid restrictions for years.

@CleoandRalf anyone could be peddaling bullshit none of us know yet and won't for a long time, but it is a simple fact we will have to learn to live with covid , even china have basically accepted that now

And the award for the most irrelevant comment goes to….

Who has said anything about not learning to live with it, this post is merely saying those who believe that flu etc. is more prevalent this year because of covid restrictions are factually wrong.

To educate and inform maybe?

Ah yes of course. MN has been great at educating us thickos during the pandemic 🤣

I don't require education from a randomer on the internet.

Covid fearful posters are free to egg one another one of course but I think the majority of us prefer to remain "uneducated".

@CleoandRalf what is the point of posts like this , what are the answers ? Its ok people saying this and that but what alternatives to you suggest ?
I read on another thread someone who thinks for any illness incl colds etc people should stay home, realistically thats not possible , a cold lasts approx 7 days min even a mild one , you can have 3 or 4 a year , who can take that much time of work and hold down their job

I don't understand the significance of this.

I thought post-viral fatigue was an accepted medical observation ? Not a medical professional but isn't that linked to the immune system ?

I think that many people have experienced or heard of people whose Covid symptoms have persisted for weeks despite shaking off the infection. Eg loss of smell Is that immune system related ?

I am very confused by your argument. Do you believe in immunity debt ? Why would Japan and Sweden have radically different rates of RSV? As a more densely populated country which was more closed than the UK, I would expect Japan having to pay the price. Are doctors diagnosing it as something else ?