To Think People Don't Know Covid Harms The Immune System

[Sunshineguy]

Many people are blaming the unusually severe winter bugs on so-called 'immunity debt', the false idea a prolonged period of health makes one more susceptible to infections. Two countries disprove this theory. Sweden was largely open and had a large wave of RSV hospitalizations in 2021 and an even larger one this year. Japan was largely closed, and now it's opened up only had a tiny number of people hospitalized for RSV.

The WHO is warning Covid-19 causes immune dysfunction.

twitter.com/Sandyboots2020/status/1608402400817336322?t=Jj_Kz6Bxhk04sP_osKOGEg&s=19

And evidence is amassing of the range of immune damage done by the virus:

twitter.com/jeffgilchrist/status/1605958004163084292?t=WMTYOfFYmveyzE9aVt9Ppg&s=19

If the immunity debt isn't repaid in 2023, and people keep experiencing more sickness than usual, will we all accept this SARS virus will never be a common cold?

Japan was not more closed than UK in most ways.

they tackled it early with test and trace and avoided lockdowns. They probably did have more restrictions on travel.

This is what happens with exponential growth. The earlier you tackle the less you have to do.

As a primary school staff team, we have discussed the anecdotal 'evidence' and collective lived experience of most of our teachers and TAs, all of whom have had Covid multiple times (many 5+ times as children are now regularly attending school with active covid), and are experiencing that their immunity isn't as good at either warding off new infections or aiding recovery, with relapses of viral and bacterial infections a big cause of prolonged staff absence for the last 18 months; typically, a colleague making an apparent recovery from an initial infection, returning to work for a day or two, only for symptoms to recur with a vengeance and prompting another period of absence. Recovery is now a long and protracted thing.
Some are now concerned about the possibility of cancer, autoimmune disease and opportunistic infections, as the loss of previous immune-function is so marked.
Many are considering leaving the profession to avoid the ridiculous levels of illness.

This plays on my mind too. I see so much ill health

is this coronavirus acting any differently from any other coronavirus though?

Mother Nature doesn’t owe you an immune system

Must be the strangest comment I have read on here in a long while.

Swine flu harms the immune system too though. I've not had covid yet but I had swine flu and that harmed mine.

🤣🤣🤣

You can say that again.
To such an extent I tell myself to come off this site, almost daily.

The problem with the immunity gap (not debt) argument is that we RSV last summer and last winter. There have also been loads of rhinoviruses circulating in the U.K. throughout the pandemic IIRC from the PHE weekly flu updates in 2020.

How many years do we have to have high rates of hospitalisation in children before we decide that maybe it has nothing to do with 2 cohorts of children being exposed at once. That was the argument used here and in Australia for aseasonal RSV hospitalisations. It also slightly ignores the point that RSV is better the older you get it so an entire cohort being a year older when they get their first RSV infection should lead to lower hospitalisation.

I hear lots from my dead friends family - what do they know - they only lost a loved one.
Quick google search and the top result is from the government themselves and quotes the Lancet and immune function ….

The WHO? 😂😂😂😂😂
Totally discredited organisation in bed with the Chinese

Er no, a lot of people have asked what the fuck do you expect us to do about it.
Not the same thing

It is so frustrating. It's not the same as "If people knew more about HIV they'd wear a condom." The only way to completely avoid Covid is to stay in your house alone forever which is impossible - eventually everyone needs medical treatment e.g. dentist. I've had 4 jabs and with a 4 year old and a job that can't be done from home that's as far as I can go.

It's like saying what's the point in learning about cloud formations or photosynthesis though isn't it? Knowledge is a good thing. Even if you can't do anything about something it's still good to learn about it. If you don't want any knowledge about covid then grand but some people do. I thought it was interesting, I'm not going to 'do' anything about it except file the information away in the back of my mind in case I need it in future like I have with cloud formations and photosynthesis.

I don't disagree about knowledge for knowledge sake but was replying to a poster who complained people are in denial or something.
The op seemed to be questioning why everyone isn't running around in a blind panic

There is no logical connection between what I posted and your response. I was making a general observation.

People would rather walk about with blinders on.

It’s interesting how many people still choose to disregard the reality that Covid is an incredibly huge threat to not only the health and well being of literally every single person on the planet but also to the general functioning of society. It’s easier to blame the ‘lockdowns and masking’ on what’s happening without a single iota of recognition that Covid is behind all of this.

Repeated infection of Covid is proven to essentially disrupt your immune system for a period of time. We now have variants going through communities at incredible speed every few months which basically means your immune system is constantly off balance leaving us open to these awful super colds, flus, Strep A, pneumonia etc. Remember covid can be symptomless so you might have had it and not know but still receive the immune system disruption totally unaware.

Meanwhile this is all against the context of an inefficient health service severely understaffed and underfunded with burnt out staff unable to keep up.

People can choose to ignore it or think we need to learn to live with it but evidently we’re struggling to do this, and it’s only going to get worse unless something is done to stop it. The current threat to life because of an overwhelmed NHS is frightening.

We need to rethink our approach to living with Covid because I fear in a few years we’ll be regretting our laissez faire attitude to it and it may be too late.

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr what do you mean by rethink our approach to living with covid? If you mean more restrictions then no way. I think lots of us know that it damages your immune system for a bit, and lots of us have had repeated illnesses over the last few months. But I’d still rather live my life normally than go back to mask wearing and restrictions. I think a lot of people feel the same.

Encourage proper ventilation and air filtration in public buildings and spaces

Improve the effectiveness of tests and encourage regular testing

Improve working conditions for health workers so they don’t quit en masse

Stay at home if you have Covid

Make WFH an option for those who can and want to

Move away from the culture of presenteeism- employers need to acknowledge their staff are going to be sick more often

Improve online learning platforms to enable kids to keep on track with school due to prevalence of multiple viruses that are going to keep surfacing causing prolonged absences

This article is not about damage to the immune system by covid vaccines. It is about the speed with which vaccine-acquired immunity to covid wanes. I’m truly sorry you lost a friend but you need to find a way of processing your grief that doesn’t include spreading false information and fear on social media.

Can someone link to the evidence that shows Covid infections affect EVERYONE’S immune system. And for more than a few months (which is normal for many viruses).

And nothing from Twitter please.

A peer reviewed research study…

If not then I think we’ll have to conclude we don’t really know. Some people appear to have long lasting effects. I’ll agree it’s a strange virus - the impact on the vascular system/the heart rate for some.
Others appear immune/unaffected.

Covid has not been around long enough for anyone to conclude the impacts on immune systems are permanent.

You're looking for a unicorn. Or possibly a straw man.

No-one reputable is saying that.

The findings are that dysregulation can and does occur, and although commoner following severe covid, it also occurs after mild and moderate cases.

It's like the VashtaNerada - not every case, but can be any case.

Studies are showing that it can last up to six months, maybe longer (some show 8, but remember that this is connected more with length of follow up in the research to date, rather than a finding of maximum duration). Impact of repeat infections also needs more work.

Like many, many other pathogens, a period of immune dampening following acute case is common. Covid appears to cause greater dysregulation and for longer.

There’s no actual statistics on this though? How many people are affected? 6-8 months is not beyond what we see with other viruses.

Glandular fever can wipe people out for years. Post viral fatigue an last for months and months.

I’ll wait for more evidence.

You say I’m looking for a unicorn. No I’d just like to see some long term, peer reviewed studies on this. Which is fair enough.

If there aren’t any then I don’t think any conclusions can be drawn just yet.

There are plenty of long term (up to about 8 month) peer reviewed studies.

The unicorn refers to studies which show that EVERYONE (your capitals) is affected.

That’s not long term…

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for specific numbers of people affected.