To Think People Don't Know Covid Harms The Immune System

[Sunshineguy]

Many people are blaming the unusually severe winter bugs on so-called 'immunity debt', the false idea a prolonged period of health makes one more susceptible to infections. Two countries disprove this theory. Sweden was largely open and had a large wave of RSV hospitalizations in 2021 and an even larger one this year. Japan was largely closed, and now it's opened up only had a tiny number of people hospitalized for RSV.

The WHO is warning Covid-19 causes immune dysfunction.

twitter.com/Sandyboots2020/status/1608402400817336322?t=Jj_Kz6Bxhk04sP_osKOGEg&s=19

And evidence is amassing of the range of immune damage done by the virus:

twitter.com/jeffgilchrist/status/1605958004163084292?t=WMTYOfFYmveyzE9aVt9Ppg&s=19

If the immunity debt isn't repaid in 2023, and people keep experiencing more sickness than usual, will we all accept this SARS virus will never be a common cold?

FFS - none of this is "news" and none of it is solely applicable to Covid. And since coronoviruses (there are many of them) cause about 20% of colds anyway and have since time immemorial, then coronoviruses actually are "the common cold"! Just not (yet) this particular one.

However OP, if you wish to stay at home, never go out, wear masks into your old age, and wash your shopping and post, have at it. You live how you want but stop delivering f*ing lectures on how you think the rest of us should live. Fed up of this now. And stop taking over the boards - there's a board for this subject so that the sane people can avoid it if we want.

DH had shingles a couple of months after having Covid. GP said that there had been an increase in over 50s getting shingles, specifically those who’d had Covid, and that it was due to the virus (Covid) suppressing the immune system.

How are the least vaccinated countries doing?

Ermm. 20 second clips out of context isn't science, it's selective editing.

Agree OP. For those that don't want a random from mumsnet giving this message, a quick google will pull up the research in journals giving the same message. As for what can be done about it? Less covid could be a start - decent ventilation for example, less airtime given to those who refuse to acknowledge the vast amount of research on longer term impacts, planning for longer term impacts etc.

DS (12) was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes 4 months ago. Nurses in the hospital were saying they’d never had as many cases of children being brought in with it before Covid. They’d had 4 in one weekend before we were there which was unheard of. None of them had it in family.

I didn’t get him vaccinated as he turned 12 a month before he was diagnosed so missed the school roll out. He’d been PCR diagnosed once and exposed to it a few more times as family and friends had it at different times.

I think it’s definitely related.

@Sunshineguy seems to have posted and disappeared but he's all over any Covid threads.
In other news this thread's been moved to the correct topic.

This theory sounds entirely plausible. Catching Covid is currently being underestimated given it can have systemic effects we are just starting to understand. The challenge seems to be understanding why some people are much more affected than others, and also what the effect might be of frequent reinfection with Covid in regards to immunity to Covid, or anything else.

But this can happen after any viral infection. I had shingles 6 months after having glandular fever. This was over 40 years ago when I was 11. It's almost as if some people think is a new thing that only happened since Covid.

The peak in flu is to be expected.
We base the manufacture of our annual vaccine on what happened in Australia 6 month’s previously to predict how it’s likely to mutate . They didn’t really have a flu season due to restrictions so the element of guesswork was greater.
We’ll just deal with whatever illness crops up at the time but we’ll never go back to lockdown thank goodness.

Your hide function is failing you, this IS posted in covid.

Apologies, ignore me, I didn't know it had been moved - mumsnet usually post a note to that effect...

Yes it started off in AIBU which the OP was!

Sweden wasn't 'largely open'. That's a myth put out by those opposed to restrictions.

Does it matter! We all just have to get on with it!
Nothing can stop the winter virus type stuff everybody is getting.

@grayhairdontcare It does matter, its of course not possible to stop people getting sick but if it turns out that covid does have some unique negative impact on people's or even some people's immunity then that is worth tracking and researching. Nobody is suggesting we lock down again but we just need to be aware as a society, if not on an individual level of these possibilities.

I don’t. I prefer it in the Covid topic. Which I have hidden.

It must be really difficult for you coming on to Mumsnet and never knowing what you might see before you get chance to hiide it 😂

It really isn't. It's just nice to have stuff in Active that I want to see. Simple.

tfft

Well I don't know what the answer is is but I do know that DD has had more bugs over the last six months than I've ever known her to have. She currently has a stinking cold (or bug, who knows?) and it is lingering much longer than usual.

She had two Covid jabs and also had covid last February.

I'm wondering if the vaccines also add to this? Could a vaccine have the same impact on the immune system as a covid infection?

And what do we do do about it? Ultimately we’re all going to die and honestly the human race is one big parasite on the earth so that’s life as I’d say!

I had shingles when I was 26 pre COVID. My GP said it can caused by stress or being a bit rundown. Shingles can flare without anything to do with COVID !

Well, obviously, it’s well known that it’s caused by stress or being run down, and that it existed before Covid. But there’s now a 15% increase in it in the over 50s, which is being linked to having had Covid.

This has been spoken about by some scientists for a couple of years now.

It would be good to know what can be done (if anything) to restore the immune system?

I take vitamin d and c, but have still spent the last 2 months having the longest and worst cold I’ve ever had.