To Think People Don't Know Covid Harms The Immune System

[Sunshineguy]

Many people are blaming the unusually severe winter bugs on so-called 'immunity debt', the false idea a prolonged period of health makes one more susceptible to infections. Two countries disprove this theory. Sweden was largely open and had a large wave of RSV hospitalizations in 2021 and an even larger one this year. Japan was largely closed, and now it's opened up only had a tiny number of people hospitalized for RSV.

The WHO is warning Covid-19 causes immune dysfunction.

twitter.com/Sandyboots2020/status/1608402400817336322?t=Jj_Kz6Bxhk04sP_osKOGEg&s=19

And evidence is amassing of the range of immune damage done by the virus:

twitter.com/jeffgilchrist/status/1605958004163084292?t=WMTYOfFYmveyzE9aVt9Ppg&s=19

If the immunity debt isn't repaid in 2023, and people keep experiencing more sickness than usual, will we all accept this SARS virus will never be a common cold?

I wish I am wrong but even if half the bad news proves to be true we are all for very rude awakening.

Normal will be increasingly harder to have. We will be stuck at home for couple of weeks each time we catch Covid. When average life expectancy is lower, it is not the case everyone will live a slightly shorter life, some people will lose decades and they will be our friends and family or our teachers or healthcare givers. The loss of those lives will disrupt our own lives in more than one way.

Life as we know it will slowly erode as more people get disabled and leave work force. With China joining the rest of us, we will also see disruption in products we are used to, even some medicine.

We had solutions at the beginning. Those solutions are lost to us now but we still have mitigations. Any reduction in number of times we catch Covid is beneficial.

whatevs

Oh, for goodness sake! If you want to live in fear then fine, but I refuse to be party to that.

Stay in if you prefer then and don’t catch it. I would rather live my life normally. Anecdotally, out of everyone I know at work, nursery, friends and family not one has had long covid or any lasting symptoms. There has been a slight increase of everyone catching colds this winter but that’s it.

For many Covid is mild and has no lasting impact.

No apparent lasting impact.

It will be years post-pandemic before evidence, research, and numbers involved are collated - but based on the post-Spanish Flupandemic outcomes, there are expected to be population-wide long-term effects involving neurological disorders; and we are already seeing many ongoing cardiovascular effects.

I am truly happy that this is your anecdotal experience and wish it to continue.

And yet the world slowly recovered after Spanish Flu and society didn’t break down, as some people on here are predicting with covid.
I actually think that some seem to relish the drama of a potential issue, as if we’re living through a movie storyline.
The rest of us are just getting on with it.

Once again, no logical connection to what I posted.

It had nothing to do with society, or societal breakdown.

Russian Flu, the last big coronavirus pandemic, 1880-1890. The world recovered from that, too.

I wonder how Long Covid is talked of in Africa.

You might be interested in this. Of course Long Covid exists in the countries of Africa. The source below covers Kenya and Malawi.

data.humdata.org/dataset/long-covidresearchagenda?

What do you mean @lljkk ? Africa is an entire continent.

I have collegues in SA, and long COVID is talked about in a similar way as it is here. One professor now has LC after being infected pre-vaccines, is quite severely impacted, and refers to herself as disabled now. She is by no means the only one, and talks about it as a significant issue.

In areas of Africa that have higher rates of poverty, yes there are far less resources to specifically diagnose and treat those with LC. Instead symptoms will be treated as best as they can, if someone is able to access medical care.

But this is the same thing as what your post is trying to imply - that LC is a disease of the wealthy who have the time to worry about such things, and everyone else just gets on with it.

But this isn't the same thing as what your post is trying to imply - that LC is a disease of the wealthy who have the time to worry about such things, and everyone else just gets on with it.

You could always put your hands over your ears and sing blah blah blah.

But how do you accept a risk when you don’t know what the risk is? Most if the U.K. public are woefully misinformed about covid because policy has been led by covid minimisers. And most stuff doesn’t appear in the media any more.

And I’m not talking about risks we don’t know about. You can’t click to be making an informed decision about risk if you don’t know about the risks we do know about.

I’m also not convinced that most people do want life without any mitigations at all. As far as I’m aware YouGov and other polling says something different. Particularly in terms of masks. The people who want to forget it exists and pretend it’s just like flu just shout louder.

YouGov polling quality is awful. They ask leading questions and they target their audience.

I think you are remembering very differently to many people. Covid minimising wasn't responsible for children having no education between March and September 2020 for example, or for businesses being shut for months on end when there was no need.

I don't think people are misinformed. They're just not scared to death any more. What do you actually want?

your post is trying to imply - that LC is a disease of the wealthy who have the time to worry about such things, and everyone else just gets on with it.

Actually I was thinking LC (= debilitating symptoms > 12 weeks after infection started) is disease of older adults. iirc, being older, feeling quite bad with C19, being female and thinking you had covid (when nobody could get tests) were the strongest predictors of who gets LC. I wasn't thinking of wealth, although wealthier societies do have more adults age 50+ in them. Most African societies are quite young.

Also, if good health is something you cannot expect, then you live day to day with whatever is your health status, so I guess that is poverty related. So yes also an element of "just get on with it." That's how all life is in a place with dysfunctional state/ low standard of living.

I found my own links about LC in big African countries:
Nigeria.
Ethiopia ?
Egypt ?
DRC ?
Tanzania ?

Lots for Nigeria, not much for next 4 most populous.

It's not me you're asking, Westward, but I'm not asking for complete lockdown.

I would support intentionally improving ventilation, and encouraging people to stay home if they are ill and able to do so.

I think we've become blasé about working through colds and illness, simply because we can. We all expect our children to have a permanent colds or noro. I'm pretty sure we made more effort to avoid spreading bugs in the past.

I'm not sure ignoring Covid is the best policy.

😂😂 you must be joking. The idiots like Ferguson started squealing for restrictions and the government egged on by our unprincipled hysterical media caved in.
Nobody in real life wants restrictions and yougov is a joke

encouraging people to stay home if they are ill and able to do so.

But they are.

I dont think it's such a mystery that an illness can have post viral effects. I had glandular fever and it took me a good decade to start to recover and stop catching every illness going.

I had covid in Dec 2020 and was fine, but for some reason tale end of 2022 I caught every virus going!

I do also think reducing mixing for 2 years, especially in children was a bad idea as I also subscribe to the idea that our immune systems need regular, low level testing so that we arent knocked out cold by every virus going.

The Hancock Covid diaries book is certainly making for interesting reading in our house….. They really knew so little about the disease and medical advice on what to do seemed to change on a daily basis depending on who was doing what modelling of predictions.

We will be stuck at home for couple of weeks each time we catch Covid.

You might be. We as a collective quite clearly won't. That's not happening.

I left the web address at the top @RoseAndRose

@Onnabugeisha the line above it states unvaccinated have a better immune response

This was the first hit, it’s a uk .gov webpage and quotes the lancet. It was to prove to PP that this information is out there, and to say it’s lies etc is simply not true, the information is out there.

Oops hit post by mistake too early.
Meant to add - this article states that repeated vaccination damages immune response and is advised against (eg repeated boosters are bad for us) it’s making me surmise that the first vaccine was also bad, given their quote ‘the study showed that immune function amongst vaccinated individuals 8 months after administration of the 2 doses of Covid-19 vaccine was lower than among unvaccinated individuals’.

Makes all those folk who got labelled conspiracists or wearing tin foil hats - might have actually been on to something. Wondering how the countries that were trying to force vaccinations now feel ……. Guess they don’t want to discuss that. Will they learn from it ……

If COVID-19 vaccines weakened the immune system, people who are vaxxed would have more severe disease - which they don't.

The article referenced above disputed here:

healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-vaccines-dont-weaken-immune-system-lancet-study-misrepresented-tucker-carlson-hodgetwins/