Has anyone seen the 1,000 peer reviewed medical papers about vaccine injuries.

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community.covidvaccineinjuries.com/compilation-peer-reviewed-medical-papers-of-covid-vaccine-injuries/

Would this influence anyone from getting the next booster?

I'm not anti vaccine as I've had the booster, but wouldn't again. I was one of the unlucky thousands who picked up chronic urticaria as a result of three consequent doses of Moderna giving me excess antibodies. When you have excess antibodies but no virus, it causes your body to fight them using histamines. Cue lots of all over body hives. It lasts as long as the booster efficacy lasts. And it's a condition being studied by a group of Harvard Mass General researchers as a post vaccine long term side effect - I'm in the pilot group. There's a much larger global group of people who all have the same condition starting 7-10 days after the booster vaccine. Pretty common. There is research being published on it and my allergist and immunologist said they have seen an increase in urticaria cases post vaccine but it's still not in sufficient numbers to deem the vaccine unsafe. I don't expect it ever will be but I do wonder if with each booster more and more people will have the same issue.

I got covid anyway sadly. And it was much less fuss than the urticaria. 10 months later still have constant hives that only medication resolves. It's much better as the vaccine efficacy has dropped so I certainly won't be getting a booster ever again. And my immunologist has agreed with me. I got the vaccine in good faith but I do now think I took the booster far too soon and that should have been more spaced out. 3 doses in a span of 8 months was excessive. I reckon it's also why govts are putting more time between doses now as they realise overloading the vaccine on low risk people isn't going to make it more effective.

My first cousin had a serious reaction to the vaccine, was hospitalised and still has very little memory of the whole thing. I still had my first, second and booster jabs, and am impatiently awaiting my next booster.

I love vaccines, I think they're bloody brilliant. Nothing would stop me having a vaccine recommended to me.

@MissConductUS I'd never heard of a marine sound, I thought it was a typo!

They tried to charge me for damage on a full coverage hire then tried to charge me about $4000 for tolls! Without prior warning of course! Luckily I could provide receipts showing I was over 1000 miles away when the car was, apparently, in the Lincoln Tunnel!

@ganvough
Funnily enough I've been diagnosed with chronic spontaneous urticaria.

@Reallyreallyborednow
I'm not on here giving my opinion. I've provided lots of links to medical and scientific research.
And unless the posters on here are actual medical/scientists themselves, that's what they're doing isn't it? Quoting studies and medical knowledge.
....accept mine is dismissed rather arrogantly using Ad hominem.
It's very interesting to watch.

Who cares. Get it or don't. Surely we are all over this saga now

Why do we need to be scientists ourselves when we can just follow the advice and conclusions of the all the scientists who have evaluated all the data? How is that arrogant? Surely ignoring the people who are qualified to assess the information is more arrogant.

A lot of the information you have provided is not scientific research, they're reports, the people compiling the even state not to jump to conclusions about the isolated cases and that the vaccines are extremely safe and severe side effects rare, but what do I know? I haven't finished my science degree so apparently I'm not capable of understanding what they mean by that!

It's very interesting to watch.

Tbh it's very interesting to watch you.

You never engage with comments.

accept mine is dismissed rather arrogantly using Ad hominem.

Yo didn't read through the replies then? 🙄

It’s interesting the people some choose to believe and the people they don’t. I am sure many a psychological study has been undertaken. Doctors/scientists are liars and part of some great conspiracy but shaggy haired blonde man or large orange man with a proven track record of lies and deceit? They are to be believed verbatim.

Throwing around Latin doesn’t make your points valid. 🤣

People have criticised your evidence and your style of argument. Then, as your responses strongly suggest the ‘questions’ you have are disingenuous, many of us have questioned your motivations.

drawing on the evidence in your own posts to conclude that you do not understand medical research and are poorly equipped to be contributing to any debate as a result, is not an ad hominem attack. Saying you’re a bit thick would be. But that’s not what people are saying. Pulling out internet debating Latin names for logical fallacies 101 does not change the fact that posting a mere list of some of the published studies that might be vaguely relevant to your agenda is to demonstrate that you don’t understand the evidentiary basis on which medical advice should be based. As is claiming that working for a particular university makes the researcher ‘high quality’.

The problem is both the substance of your points and the obvious agenda behind them.

It’s interesting that you assume that people criticising you aren’t ‘scientists’ and have no experience, training or expertise to offer here.

Im going to suggest that assumption is highly likely to be incorrect.

It's very interesting to watch.

I'd like to say the same about you but you're a typical anti-vaxer, and not interesting to watch.

I wouldn't assume no-one contributing these threads is a scientists or an analyst.

People have given you specific criticisms of the website, which you're choosing to ignore and instead cry "ad hominen". (Bingo card anyone?)

It's also absolutely bonkers - one publication (if well designed, powered, replicated, maybe triangulating different methods to come to broadly the same answer) would be enough for me to update my opinion on who should be offered vaccination. Listing 1000 just demonstrates all they've done is found 1000 titles related to vaccine complications and stuck them on a website.

To start with, they haven't bothered removing review or opinion pieces and are still counting those in the 1000. No summary of what the papers found, removal of duplicates, case studies, meta-analysis, risk of bias, quality assessment, sensitivity analyses.

This isn't how evidence synthesis is done, and you're completely ignoring the fact that independetly, each country has reviewed all available evidence before deciding who should be offered vaccination

But you're not answering the very reasonable points people are making about the website?

Also - surely having urticaria like another PP has mentioned is your primary reason to not want a booster, and would have made sense to mention in your OP?

If I had a side effect caused by a specific vaccine, I would definitely be wary of having the same vaccine again.

I hope both of your symtoms resolve quickly, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be.

There are posters on here with legitimate reasons not to have any other covid vaccines which I understand, but there seems to be this prevailing idea that a vaccine has to have 100% efficacy and have zero side effects for everyone to be acceptable, which is impossible. The vast vast majority of the side effects of the vaccine are mild and/or resolve quickly. It amazes me the people who say it had a brief effect on my menstrual cycle or I felt awful for a few days afterwards so I am never having another one ever again. See also people who say I felt terrible after the vaccine then I got covid and it wasn’t as bad as that, wish I’d never got the vaccine. Hmmm it’s almost as if those antibodies may have helped there.

*And unless the posters on here are actual medical/scientists themselves, that's what they're doing isn't it? Quoting studies and medical knowledge.

....accept mine is dismissed rather arrogantly using Ad hominem.

It's very interesting to watch*

the fact that you can’t tell that the people who are “arrogantly dismissing” you are scientists says a lot.

no one has dismissed you, they have posted sound reasons as to why the links you are posting aren’t good science….

To be fair, most of us never experienced these kinds of side effects for our childhood shots or shots for travel to developing countries. Also … most of us are too young to get a shingles vaccine, which is another one that can be quite intense

To be fair, most of us never experienced these kinds of side effects for our childhood shots or shots for travel to developing countries. Also … most of us are too young to get a shingles vaccine, which is another one that can be quite intense

most people haven’t been vaccinated as adults, and we don’t remember childhood ones. I do remember one in my thigh as a kid that was very painful for days, but when I complained I got the short don’t be silly, you’re fine answer. I doubt many yellow cards are filled in for things like pain, soreness etc in kids. And again, kids don’t have periods so that’s why the affect of vaccinations on the menstrual cycle has never been obvious before.

Travel vaccinations are only if you’re going really off plan- and some like Typhoid are pretty nasty.

worst vaccination I ever had was tetanus. Laid me up for days and I needed pretty strong muscle relaxants to be able to use my arm.

the side effects are there, and are documented. With covid though there is an element of confirmation bias as people are actively noting them.

most people my age have a recognisable BCG scar on their arm.

Not sure why everyone is fixated on the risk of covid being more than the vaccine . Both have minuscule risk for the majority of people and when the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread unlike measles etc then what’s the greater good. Mutations still occur as people who are vaccinated still get covid so that’s not an argument either.

@Nerdygirl

I think a lot of posters have said this to you before, but I'll try again. You are very focussed on this idea of a false dichotomy.

Vaccination reduces the likelihood of infection and transmission. When you are talking about billions of people, even small percentages translate to huge numbers of people.

Yes, the virus continues to mutate, but each infection prevented (and each infection cleared quicker) reduces the mutation rate.

@BerriesOnTop - Having a child currently going through their childhood vaccines I can promise you most childhood vaccines have side effects somewhat similar to the mild side effects the vast majority of people experience with the covid vaccine. Also as another poster said I have BCG scar and remember how horrible that vaccine was. Haven’t died of TB though so no regrets.

@Nerdygirl People are “fixated” on the risks of serious illness/death from catching covid unvaccinated vs any risk of taking the vaccine because that’s the point of a vaccine? If the risk of taking the vaccine was higher there wouldn’t be one.

Yes

People still don't understands statistics and risk do they!

Not sure why everyone is fixated on the risk of covid being more than the vaccine .

So fixated that 42 million are fully vaccinated in the UK.

Keep thinking about it, the reasons might come to you.

Risks are not evenly spread in the population though. Young men in particular might have higher risks from the vaccine rather than Covid. You wouldn’t see this effect from looking at the population as a whole.

And re: childhood vaccines, yes I know kids can get a flu-like effect post-vax, but I haven’t heard of such severe outcomes described by posters even in this thread. Unless you are trying to say that routine childhood vaccines have always had negative consequences for a small number of children, which we have all denied … until it’s useful not to deny it?

It’s sad people (parents especially) don’t trust vaccines as much as they used to. But I think it’s because we’ve rushed everything and stopped thinking about individual risk-benefit profiles chasing an impossible herd immunity (this vaccine could have never got us there as it currently stands).

I have taken a lot of adult vaccines for work in developing countries and never even developed a fever from them. Moderna made me just as ill as Covid did a year later (mild, but still annoying). That’s kind of how I knew I had Covid—I felt the same as I did when I had the vaccine 😆

I perhaps did gloss over the side effects childhood vaccines can cause, but I am not immune to such propaganda efforts, I believed that they didn’t cause any problem b/c they never caused any problem for me or my kids, or ever heard about anything further than a mild fever in my friend group. But I guess ur right, it can cause problems and maybe we should have taken parents with ‘vaccine injured’ children or whatever more seriously. I never did pre-Covid and I still struggle with that tbh