Has anyone seen the 1,000 peer reviewed medical papers about vaccine injuries.

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community.covidvaccineinjuries.com/compilation-peer-reviewed-medical-papers-of-covid-vaccine-injuries/

Would this influence anyone from getting the next booster?

It's not a source, neither is Wikipedia, nor Google - none are sources. They are places where information is collated. A source is the place from where the information originated. That article lists medical journals, which again report on studies. The studies themselves would be the sources of the information.

@UnmentionedElephantDildo
Yes, I understand the mechanisms of Ivermectin, as well as the reason for which it was granted the Nobel Prize. I also understand that any medication under the sun, albeit efffective in certain illnesses, does not automatically translate into an effective treatment of Covid. Repurposing existing and long proven medications is a common practice physicians adopt when dealing with new diseases, and many have had excellent results with Ivermectin. I understand it can be highly effective in managing long covid as well. When it is referred to as a veterinary medication one buys at feed stores, any logical person would immediately write it off as lunacy. Many drugs are used in both humans and animals (obviously in extremely different mechanisms and dosages) - penicillin is a good example. If one were told to head over to the feed store or vet's office to obtain penicillin, it would be equally reductive and misleading. I am not suggesting you inferred that message just to be clear.

There was a strong biological rationale to examine whether ivermectin, along with other existing drugs, could be repurposed to prevent or treat acute COVID.

It has been robustly tested to understand if it has any efficacy in treating or preventing COVID in well powered, well designed RCTs. It does not - this is why it is not an approved treatment.

If you understand the mechanism of how it works, then surely you must understand why there is no rationale in in treating long COVID.

The "don't take horse dewormer" messages were because people were literally being tricked into taking vetinary grade ivermectin, which unlike human grade, puts you at high risk of toxicity.

This has been explained over and over again on MN, but the same old posts continue to occur.

Why does every anti-vaccine thread immediately descend into pushing ivermectin?

@BewareTheLibrarians
Thank you so much for your message. It truly meant a great deal to me. When I succeed in remaining unemotional, I feel much better about contributing to this discussion. But, don't get me wrong, I also feel frustrated and even hurt by certain comments. I am literally the only one in my family who has decided not to take the vaccine, which feels very isolating at times. Thankfully, all my relationships have remained intact, aside from one very important one. Just thinking about it brings me to tears. This person, whom I love dearly, thinks I have gone bonafide insane because of my choice and has insulted me pretty much non stop since the pandemic began. He won't read any of the literature that has informed my decision, and immediately treats me like a mental patient. I appreciate this forum, where I can better understand people's differing views, from intelligent, well-informed and highly educated people.

Out of interest, what do you think the difference is between "vetinary grade ivermectin" and "human grade"?

I think it's pretty obvious - not sure why you're trying to imply there isn't one.

Farm animals have a very different physiology to humans. It is far easier for someone unqualified to overdose on a paste than it is for someone to overdose on prescribed tablets. It also comes in a different formulation due the different GI conditions.

All moot anyway, given that someone shouldn't be taking human or vetinary grade ivermectin for COVID.

@saltedcaramel1
It was brought into the discussion after someone "debunked" a doctor that was mentioned (earlier today I believe) for pushing horse paste - immediately discrediting him as a dangerous lunatic. I went to school with an extremely brilliant doctor, off the charts IQ, sailed through exams with next to perfect scores, and she has successfully treated thousands of patients with Ivermectin. She has not lost a single patient and has also had success in treating long Covid. If this information could help anyone on here, it is worth the unpleasantness. I hope you don't mind me asking, but do you have any direct experience with ivermectin?

@MissConductUS is the person who posted the information attempting to dismiss Ivermectin as horse dewormer. This is the same person who wrote that they find it funny when "anti-vaxers" end up in hospital.

@peppathe3rd

I'm sorry but this is just crazy. It's like being back in 2020.

Ivermectin has been tested. It is not effective. It would be great if it was, but it isn't.

Long COVID isn't caused by a persistent COVID infection, so even if ivermectin did work for acute COVID, there would be no basis for using it to treat long COVID.

I have "personal experience with ivermectin" in that I've been involved in reviewing some of the evidence behind claims for efficacy, including the TOGETHER study.

@saltedcaramel1
but you have never taken it, nor know anyone who has?

If this information could help anyone on here, it is worth the unpleasantness

This information won't help anyone on here, except put them at risk of uncessary side effects.

Ivermectin is not effective in treating or preventing COVID.

All it is effective in, is lining the pockets of the members of FLCCC, who charge £££ for a consultation and will them prescribe ivermectin with the prices jacked up. You are encourage vulnerable people to pour money down the drain and your posts are pretty unethical tbh.

Fortunately for us " anti Vaxers " we don't end up in hospital, I haven't even had a sniffle, my mum triple jabbed has had covid 4x. Glad to see someone on the same page as myself, I fully can't get my head around people thinking the government would give them anything beneficial to their health for free, whilst robbing them blind in every other way possible?

Can MNHQ not do anything about the excessive about of misinformation that's been spammed onto the COVID page in the last couple of days?

Fake claims don't help anyone make informed choices. All you're doing is helping those at the top of the anti-vaccine pyramid benefit.

And do you not think pockets were lined with the vaccine? PPE equipment? Various tests?

Do you understand the difference between someone's anecdote, and a meta-analysis of well powered RCTs?

What you are doing is unethical. You are actively helping scammers con people out of their money.

Been off the board for what 2 days, and suddenly ivermectin is back on the menu?

Time warp indeed.

@peppathe3rd - why are you pushing it? There is no evidence it is effective, as many many people have explained.

benefit how? from being categorically discredited, losing medical licenses, reputations destroyed? i fail to see any benefit in the hierarchy you describe.

What fake claims? Did u check out the page I suggested to you on the Facebook page died suddenly? Or do you not want to admit to yourself that the jab has caused very serious/deadly side effects

As I have already explained.

Doctors, like those in FLCCC, charge hundreds for an online consultation to prescribe ivermectin at many times the normal trade price.

It has been proven to not be effective. This is completely unethical. In addition - even if it did work - there is absolutely no rationale for prescribing it for LC.

For whatever reason you have decided to advertise this on MN.

Fortunately for us " anti Vaxers " we don't end up in hospital

Actually, you do.

Covid-19: Fact check—how many patients in hospital are unvaccinated?

The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) has recently started to report hospital admissions—not just those to intensive care—alongside vaccination status. The latest figures show that in the week to 29 December 2021 a total of 815 people with confirmed omicron infection were admitted from an emergency department to hospitals in England. Of these, 74% had not had three doses of vaccine—including 25% (206) who were unvaccinated, 6% (49) who had received one dose, and 43% (352) who had received two doses. Twenty three percent (189) had received a booster dose, and the remainder were unknown or had had their first dose less than three weeks ago.4

Further analysis by the agency has concluded that unvaccinated adults are as much as eight times more likely to be admitted to hospital than those who have been vaccinated and that booster doses are 88% effective at preventing hospital admission.4

A separate report published by the UKHSA showed that, although unvaccinated individuals made up only a small proportion of the overall population, they accounted for 27% of those with a confirmed case of omicron admitted to hospital in England and for 39% in London.5

The Office for National Statistics’ latest report on deaths from covid-19 covering the period from January to October last year in England found that the age adjusted rate of death was 96% lower in people who had received a second dose of vaccine than in those who were unvaccinated.6

@foliageeverywhere
yes, of course i understand the difference between anecdotal evidence and robust peer reviewed medical studies. i also understand that this is a forum on mumsnet, not the british medical association. When i ask other parents about schools, for example, I do not anticipate to solely receive links to OFSTED reports. I am not pushing anything, just trying to set the record straight

But my son, while not an anti-vaxxer as it didn’t exist then, did get ill and end up in hospital.

So if you didn’t have a vaccine and didn’t end up in hospital with covid, and he also didn’t have a vaccine but did end up in hospital with covid, doesn’t that make your theory not make sense?

Does the fact that I’ve had two vaccines and they didn’t make me seriously ill, and no-one I know has become seriously ill or died after having the vaccine mean that it’s impossible for the vaccines to damage anybody?

Does the fact that you had covid and didn’t get ill mean that no one can get ill from covid?

There can be absolutely no rational discussion about this as long as people deal in absolutes and black or white uncritical thinking.

In fact, @broodyat39 I’ve held off from posting this as I can only imagine the reaction, but some of ds’s post-covid problems actually improved following his covid vaccinations. He was able to rejoin sports that he hadn’t been able to do for 18 months, and manage school without fatigue and brain fog holding him back. Far from dropping dead, he had his life back.

This is something that’s been noted in more than just his case - this study from Oxford Population Health at the University of Oxford has more:

www.ndph.ox.ac.uk/news/covid-vaccine-long-covid

“Dr Pouwels said: ‘This is the largest study to date internationally on long COVID and COVID-19 vaccination, and the first to investigate post-vaccine symptom trajectories. Our results suggest that vaccination of people previously infected may be associated with a reduction in the burden of long COVID, at least in the first few months following vaccination. Further research is needed to evaluate the long-term relationship between vaccination and long COVID, including the impact of the Omicron variant, and the roll-out of booster doses.’”

Now this doesn’t mean that no one will never become ill after the vaccine, or that everyone will have the same experience as him, but it’s not a black and white/“vaccines bad but covid is fine” argument.

*no one will never? No one will ever? I’ve run out of brain 😅