Has anyone seen the 1,000 peer reviewed medical papers about vaccine injuries.

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community.covidvaccineinjuries.com/compilation-peer-reviewed-medical-papers-of-covid-vaccine-injuries/

Would this influence anyone from getting the next booster?

Appears to show that in the weeks following vaccination people are up to 44% more likely to contract Covid than the unvaccinated, which would mean that "anyone having the vaccine is more susceptible to Covid" and it does have an effect on the immune system.

So like others I can't find this in the supps and am interested in where you got the claim from? Malhotra? Telegram? @EcoTourist

Nethertheless, it's a claim that keeps being made by various anti-vaccine groups from different sources.

So firstly, assoctiation doesn't mean causation. Your first sentence doesn't lead on to the second.

There are lots of reasons someone would be more likely to test positive for COVID shortly after being vaccinated that are nothing to do with the immune system.

People are more likely to be vaccinated during surges, if lots of their friends/family are testing positive, if they are more vulnerable to COVID etc - all these things increase likelihood of having a positive test in the short term. It is also true that during the lockdowns a vaccine centre might have been the only place someone had visited with lots of people, thus increasing their chances of getting COVID in that timeframe.

And I'll add the caveat - no one needs to be vaccinated if they don't want to be, and the current vaccines are clearly not perfect.

It seems to be there's a current trend of someone posting things that are patently untrue, you point this out, and then you're attacked as a "pro-vaxxer" pushing vaccines at all costs.

It just a weird tone that's suddenly set in to MN.

@peppathe3rd Thank you, that’s really kind. He’s much better, his heart is back to normal at his last check ups so we’re officially signed off (just have to keep an eye on things after heavy exertion but I think that’s always been a good idea after any virus.)

I’ve obviously been keener on the vaccination than not, given ds1’s problems, but also completely understand why some people may be hesitant to have the vaccine or give it to their kids. Ds2 had covid and we never would have known if not for a school lateral flow test, he had literally zero symptoms, so I can understand how people can think it doesn’t affect children.

But it drives me crazy when (and this isn’t directed at you at all, but just to explain my frustration), with all the evidence about the damage covid does, people downplay it and put out the message that only the vaccine is bad. That’s not balanced, or fair on people who have to make the decision.

The unpleasant behaviour is pretty transparent so it's unlikely we are the only ones who have clocked it, it's been going on so long that one imagines others are equally sick of it but can't be bothered to have to deal with petty sniping with shades of narcissism, which is a shame as I am sure there are lots of people who want and need advice, it's a horrible thought that they could be put off posting and enquiring because a hostile environment has been allowed to develop.

Oh get of your high horse.

"Sniping with shades of narcissism"^^ What are you on about?

I think you are pretty unpleasant yourself tbh and I'm sure others have clocked that.

And yes there are probably plenty of people who want and need advice and It's a horrible thought they could suck up some of the nonsense promoted on here.

And I'd say you're as hostile as they come @EcoTourist . But in the guise of "reasonableness with shades of aggression"

*It seems to be there's a current trend of someone posting things that are patently untrue, you point this out, and then you're attacked as a "pro-vaxxer" pushing vaccines at all costs.

It just a weird tone that's suddenly set in to MN.*

Yes keep seeing it.

The vitriol that seems to be ever-present in those advocating for the vaccine is puzzling to me.

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@BewareTheLibrarians
Thank you so much for your lovely message. I am very happy to hear that your kiddos are doing well and have recovered, aside from exerting excess stress at the moment which iI have also learned is prudent after any viral infection. The past few years have been beyond trying on so many levels, which i had hoped would lead to more kindness and compassion. It is heartening to read that this is the road you have chosen, respect and gratitude are yours from me. Big hugs!!

That is exactly what concerns me... That people may try to be navigating a different path through Covid other than vaccination and are met, here, with such animosity. It is far from an intelligent way of behaving, let alone compassionate- which is something we all need right now

this is not what I have seen on this thread.

i have seen people making claims, and others explaining why those claims aren’t valid. Which seems to be taken as some sort of personal attack. They never seem to be able to refute and bring good counter arguments.

all through this thread people have said if you don’t want the vaccination, don’t have it.

@EcoTourist

Nice try, but no there is actually a huge "appetite" for research into aspects of side effects associated with vaccination, including mechanisms, which is why so many research groups are working in this area.

You're also confusing lots of things together - the paper you're quoting from does not use data from the new vaccines.

Also no idea where you've got that quote from - doesn't sound like the language you'd use in a paper, but yes no-one is debating the numbers. I'm pointing out that an association doesn't mean causality, and as I listed, there are lots of reasons for this association that aren't the immune system has been destroyed.

Table 7.

I am struggling on my phone, or maybe being dense, but where does the 44% come from?

Come on now @Reallyreallyborednow , totally unreasonable to be actually looking at the supplementaries and asking where percentages are being pulled from....

@EcoTourist - where did that quote from the co-author come from? They sound a bit fed up to me (probably from their paper being the latest to be used for misinterpreation by various groups)

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The pattern I am noticing is parents that are genuinely in search of information about other's experiences are open and respectful and inquisitive. Posts that are condescending and mildly hostile seem to regularly from people that are in favour of Covid jabs categorically and unwaveringly - why is that?

You are not alone noticing that pattern.
It's troubling that there can't be any discussion in good faith without self-appointed guardians of THE SCIENCE using very belittling language to try and discourage even the most sympathetic and worried queries.
Mumsnet has a large readership and is influential, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that these people are being paid to shape the discussion
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Are you two a Double Act?
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This came up from March. Are you out to get "the guardians" ( your words.)

Hilarious . you couldn't make it up.

I'm not being paid ( mores the pity ) ARe you two?

@EcoTourist
@peppathe3rd

Do you take your "oh it's only the pro vax who are nasty " duet every where together?

@sunglassesonthetable
Sorry, I was busy trying to understand the stats in Table 7 posted above. Why would you spend your time researching communications between 2 people you have never met. Why does that interest you? The information is what interests me, not looking up who you may or may not know. Such odd behaviour. To answer your rude question, I do not know @EcoTourist, and today was our first communication. We seem to have bonded over comments ,such as these, that have been directed our way.

@EcoTourist

You are claiming an association between testing positive and recently having been vaccinated means the immune system is damaged by the vaccines. I have explained an association =/= causality, and there are many factors that are likely to be the causal factor (e.g., someone is more likely to get vaccinated during a surge)

You are linking this to the idea that the booster vaccines were only "tested in mice", when this association was derived from a paper that didn't use data from booster vaccines.

I'm truly stumped. In your mind, who exactly would be paying us? To what end?

I gave a fuller explantion above @EcoTourist .

Your post ->

Appears to show that in the weeks following vaccination people are up to 44% more likely to contract Covid than the unvaccinated, which would mean that "anyone having the vaccine is more susceptible to Covid" and it does have an effect on the immune system.

My reply_

So like others I can't find this in the supps and am interested in where you got the claim from? Malhotra? Telegram? @EcoTourist

Nethertheless, it's a claim that keeps being made by various anti-vaccine groups from different sources.

So firstly, assoctiation doesn't mean causation. Your first sentence doesn't lead on to the second.

There are lots of reasons someone would be more likely to test positive for COVID shortly after being vaccinated that are nothing to do with the immune system.

People are more likely to be vaccinated during surges, if lots of their friends/family are testing positive, if they are more vulnerable to COVID etc - all these things increase likelihood of having a positive test in the short term. It is also true that during the lockdowns a vaccine centre might have been the only place someone had visited with lots of people, thus increasing their chances of getting COVID in that timeframe.

I'm truly stumped. In your mind, who exactly would be paying us? To what end?

No idea.

Read what Ecotourist replied to you in March. When you were having almost the same conversation. They have the idea that maybe pro vaxxers are being paid.

So much passive aggressiveness around you two.

Yet it's the people with different views who are rude.

Well it is, but you make so many claims it's hard to know what to reply to @EcoTourist !