Has anyone seen the 1,000 peer reviewed medical papers about vaccine injuries.

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community.covidvaccineinjuries.com/compilation-peer-reviewed-medical-papers-of-covid-vaccine-injuries/

Would this influence anyone from getting the next booster?

My cousin is a doctor and very pro vax - her brother died of a heart attack in February this year. My sister was hospitalised after her second AZ, my aunt died from quick onset of uterine cancer, her sister died a week later from a heart attack, my other aunts neighbours either side died of 'covid pneumonia' My sisters friend is on a heart monitor and is in and out of hospital, my sisters SIL is also on a heart monitor and so is her young daughter!!

This is my experience, call me a conspiracy theorist if you still want to.

I think as time goes on, and as each strain becomes less deadly (hopefully) then the Covid vaccines will become more like the flu ones, recommended for the CEV, a choice otherwise. Which is logical.
I've never had a flu jab, and if/when Covid gets completely and officially downgraded to something similar (fingers crossed) then I probably won't bother with seasonal boosters for that either.

Have I seen 1000 peer reviewed papers. Er...no! Have you?

Bit surprised though at doctors misunderstanding the efficacy of vaccines! I get that the general public thought nobody was ever going to get Covid again, but the scientific community hopefully knew better!

Coyote sightings are way up in my area. People are posting about constantly on Nextdoor. It must be the vaccines.

It wasn’t deadly to 98% of the population. What are you talking about?

Ive had covid twice! Both times I had a sore throat and chills.

A relief to be part of that 98% then eh.
Though the hard of understanding plain English rate seems higher.

"as each strain becomes less deadly THAN THE ORIGINAL ONE WHICH HAD, I THINK WE CAN AGREE, A PRETTY FUCKING HIGH DEATH RATE"
for the hard of thinking in the cheap seats.

Oh here we go with the insults 🙄

You keep having your boosters hun and don’t forget to update your covid pass!

I love the logic that a number of post-vaccine effects means the vaccine is terrible and should be banned yet a (n actually greater) number of post-covid effects is meaningless because someone on mumsnet had covid and they were fine 😁

@Hugocat1 As the mum of a kid who got very ill with covid, had MISC, then cardiac problems and a messed up inflammatory system for 18+ months after, and on behalf of all the other kids who’ve been damaged by covid itself, I can assure you that we don’t care that you don’t give a shit. 😉 To be so determined that the vaccine causes all manner of problems, yet so dismissive of any negative side effects of covid doesn’t really show the best critical thinking.

A number of vaccine effects? You mean people that DIED because of the vaccine?

All those symptoms are actually vaccine damage symptoms too. Did your child have the vaccine before they got ill?

@Chocolatepencil This is exactly the kind of response I mean.

Your first point. Yes, ok, let’s include people who have died of the vaccine. Shall we ignore people who died of covid & had long term problems after covid to make it make sense? Why does it have to be an absolute binary choice? That’s what’s ridiculous.

Your second point. No, he caught covid in March 2020, long before the vaccines even existed. Sorry to disappoint, but thanks for your commiserations on his health. You might want to ask yourself why you’re so determined to blame everything on the vaccine. Seriously, I’m his mother. Why, WHY would I go out of my way to blame something on covid if there was a chance it could have been the vaccine? Why would I twist things to risk other people’s children going through the same thing?

Appears to show that in the weeks following vaccination people are up to 44% more likely to contract Covid than the unvaccinated, which would mean that "anyone having the vaccine is more susceptible to Covid" and it does have an effect on the immune system

where does it say this? I can’t see the figures in the appendix on my phone.

The paper looks at the link between vaccines and BMI:

this Article, we have shown 40–74% lower odds of hospital admission or death after the second dose in all BMI categories (with slightly lower effectiveness estimates in people with underweight) and more than 90% lower odds after the third dose

the paper shows the positive effects of vaccination.

Hopefully yourself, sunglassesonthetable, Dishh, leafyygreens or foliageeverywhere (our resident guardians) will be able to give some more information about this, it's normally very quick to receive a response?

I'm not your guardian Ecotourist champ, and I've never read that paper in my life. So why I would be able to I've no idea.

You sound very bitter and combative tbh.

If I'm a "resident guardian " what would we call you? 😄

@EcoTourist
I agree with you. The vitriol that seems to be ever-present in those advocating for the vaccine is puzzling to me. I have not observed this sentiment in those asking questions or proceeding with caution while making personal medical decisions.

Not sure what to make of this response?
Is it an insult or supposed to be belittling?
Unsure how helpful the passive aggressive use of 'champ' etc. is?
Why the need to be 'aggressive and bitter' towards me?
Do you think it is appropriate to denigrate others at every opportunity when they are simply trying to have an adult discussion?

Nope not meant to be. Quite light hearted I'd say. In response to you.

I'm a resident guardian, your words🤷‍♀️ Was that passive aggressive?

Aggressive and bitter ? Err where?

Denigrate? Where ?

Every opportunity. Don't think so.

See what I mean about very combative and bitter.

@peppathe3rd You missed the lovely post upthread saying we shouldn’t give a shit about kids who’ve been given the vaccine, then? And the post where I spoke about my child’s illness and heart problems after covid and was immediately questioned whether it was actually the vaccine, as if I, as his mother, wouldn’t know?

I agree with you. The vitriol that seems to be ever-present in those advocating for the vaccine is puzzling to me. I have not observed this sentiment in those asking questions or proceeding with caution while making personal medical decisions.

Oh give over.

I wasn't aggressive or bitter or denigrating whatever EcoTourist likes to say .

And yes OF COURSE you can find vitriol from both sides.If you haven't seen it So be it.

@BewareTheLibrarians
The idea that a child should be shunned for ANY reason, let alone vaccination status is abhorrent. I am very sorry you experienced that, and I send all my best wishes to you and your child, who is hopefully much better now.

which is a shame as I am sure there are lots of people who want and need advice, it's a horrible thought that they could be put off posting and enquiring because a hostile environment has been allowed to develop.

The turn this thread has taken is bonkers.

Saying things about COVID or the vaccines that aren't true, and getting angry when posters point this out, isn't helpful to anyone.

If someone does not want to be vaccinated, they do not need to be. If someone is unsure about whether to be vaccinated, they can find balanced advice that can help them come to a decision.

Like everyone else, I'm bemused at why there's suddenly a concerted effort right now on MN when it seems about 18 months out of date - presumably you've made a decision on whether you wanted to be vaccinated or not, and are unlikely to change it. I'm guessing it has something to do with the Malhorta et al conference last week.

@EcoTourist
That is exactly what concerns me... That people may try to be navigating a different path through Covid other than vaccination and are met, here, with such animosity. It is far from an intelligent way of behaving, let alone compassionate- which is something we all need right now.