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On course for another lockdown?

650 replies

TalkToTheHand123 · 19/03/2022 07:07

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

OP posts:
TheKeatingFive · 19/03/2022 09:01

That sort if comment is just RUBBISH.

Sigh. No it isn't. Just look at the real world data.

Eg in France, cases in children have just exploded when they stopped using masks in schools

Post omincron data source for this?

Sparklingbrook · 19/03/2022 09:03

Is @TalkToTheHand123 heading back to the thread is the more important question…

EvilPea · 19/03/2022 09:04

Anyone else considering placing a bet for another lockdown in 109 years.

Our great grandkids (assuming no nuclear war/ climate crisis) could probably do with the payout.

TimBoothseyes · 19/03/2022 09:07

Not a chance.

AllOfUsAreDead · 19/03/2022 09:08

Nah definitely not. Might bring back masks and social distancing, but that's about it. I think you'd struggle to get people to do that though.

Mirrorball2022 · 19/03/2022 09:09

This is a giant thread but I’ll bite. No lockdowns won’t happen. However Covid isn’t a cold. What’s going round may be mild covid but it certainly isn’t a cold. Colds don’t leave these many people ill for months on end. Covid attacks multiple systems in the body and many people who had what they thought a mild version have have now got on going illness. You are very lucky in the last two years of you know no one that’s died from covid or that’s been affected long term. It wasn’t just elderly either.

Having said that I work in a hospital omicron/vaccines have made managing it easier due to less numbers however it’s an infectious little bastard and sweeps through quickly. It is still causing serious illness in some and unfortunately some are still dying. We have better treatments and know more about it but it’s not always a mild illness. It’s again causing staffing issues already. Some are catching it for the second/third time. You are very unlucky if you catch flu that often. I’ve had it once in 43 years and that was swine flu from work.

It causes us to stop normal, elective care and appointments because we run out of staff. So lockdown or not healthcare suffers time and time again when we are trying so hard. This is happening also in schools normal education can’t happen. Not all children don’t get Sick many couldn’t go to school or their teachers are sick again and i mean actually ill in bed.

Immunity from covid infection isn’t really a thing Due to variants and how quickly it changes. I know children and adults that have had it more than once now. The vaccines were made for the original variant and aren’t as effective as we would like even though we are lucky they do seem to still offer some protection for us but for how long u til the next variant that it doesn’t work for?

It’s alright pretending it doesn’t get exist because we all want to get on with it but Covid’s not ready to leave just yet.

Neurodiversitydoctor · 19/03/2022 09:09

Maybe not a lockdown yet but there’ll be a lot of nervous twitching in No10 as we see how no face masks and possible vaccine protection lowering in the vulnerable and elderly hold up in this next wave

There is no possible about it. My trust close to the epicentre of the alpha wave in Dec 2020, so were 97% vaccinated by mid Jan 2020, double vaxxed a year ago and boostered by Oct 2021. The workforce is being decimated by B.A.2 the boosters have simply run out.

WutheringHeights66 · 19/03/2022 09:09

No, and I hope this doesn’t become another of those hysterical MN threads. Fortunately most people same to agree.

Lilac57 · 19/03/2022 09:11

Nope. But we do need to do something so the NHS can function normally. Given we're accepting high levels of Covid in the community, the NHS can't deal with Covid hospital admissions/staff absence due to illness (note I didn't say isolation - staff are too ill to work) and run an adequate service too. Cancer treatments etc will continue to be delayed. I can't imagine the current government will do what's necessary though.

Cornettoninja · 19/03/2022 09:11

@Anjo2011

No lockdown but covid disruptions will be the daily norm.
I agree. Omicron is too contagious for previous mitigations to have much impact and hospitalisations/deaths aren’t quite high enough to put covid back at the top of the agenda or contemplate lockdown. This isn’t herd immunity by stealth as a pp said, simply because it seems omicron can either infect repeatedly or is mutating subtly enough to infect more than once.

In peoples haste to call for a return to normal the structure of actually living with omicron appears to have been neglected. It may not be overwhelming hospitals but there’s certainly a massive impact, if this is the norm going forward then standard capacity and treatments have to be increased and managed - whether we have the will or resources to do that though is questionable.

We also need a newer vaccine based on newer strains but I suspect that the uptake would be considerably less which is frustrating because the vaccines did show significant ability to prevent infections before omicron and I believe they could do again with a new vaccine but that’s all imho.

The majority of people don’t experience care homes or hospitals on a day to day basis but those locations are absolutely still battling huge issues caused by covid.

My df has been in a nursing home since December, hospital before that since October where we couldn’t see him at all. We’ve been prepared for him to die at any point (his heart is basically knackered alongside other health issues). Since December there have been three weeks we’ve been able to see him because of covid outbreaks in the home. I think there’s a possibility this may be what palliative and long term care may look like for some time to come. People aren’t going to comprehend that until it affects them, but for everyone’s sake I hope that peoples last days/weeks don’t become routinely isolated from this point onwards because it’s brutal.

user1487194234 · 19/03/2022 09:12

No chance although if Nicola Sturgeon could lock Scotland down she would
Thank goodness we are not Independent

kittensinthekitchen · 19/03/2022 09:12

I've been on the fence re masks all the way through but the Scottish covid numbers going through the roof with masks have made me really question how useful they really are.

I'd be interested to see what the realistic figures are for mask usage in Scotland as, anecdotally, many are not bothering.
Remember also that social distancing and capping numbers in venues isn't taking place also. Is there clear data to show that it's not the cancellation of other measures that are causing an increase in infection?

Neurodiversitydoctor · 19/03/2022 09:13

Which means they have or are also running out for the most vulnerable (both my 70+ parents have Covid this week). There is emerging evidence that this one is a bit nastier than Omicron (Not as bad as Delta) I'd be amazed if this doesn't translate to increased hospital admissions and yes some deaths.

jackieh1987 · 19/03/2022 09:13

Not unless Johnson fancies himself out of a job...

IcedPurple · 19/03/2022 09:14

No. No more lockdowns.

Some people became addicted to the drama and are having a really hard time letting go of all this.

kittensinthekitchen · 19/03/2022 09:15

@user1487194234

No chance although if Nicola Sturgeon could lock Scotland down she would Thank goodness we are not Independent
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Lockheart · 19/03/2022 09:16

@MushroomCow99

No, they have no money for lockdown. Besides you can't go from no restrictions to a lockdown that's insane.

It's a case of just get on with it.

Isn't going from no restrictions to a lockdown pretty much what we did two years ago? It's not insane or beyond the realms of possibility.

Do I think we'll have a lockdown this time around? Probably not, as we're in such a vastly different position from two years ago - vaccines, immunity from high infection rates, lack of appetite for one, different variants with milder symptoms etc etc.

I think we're more likely to see more boosters / a return to mask wearing / more testing.

kittensinthekitchen · 19/03/2022 09:16

There is no possible about it. My trust close to the epicentre of the alpha wave in Dec 2020, so were 97% vaccinated by mid Jan 2020, double vaxxed a year ago and boostered by Oct 2021. The workforce is being decimated by B.A.2 the boosters have simply run out.

Vaccines weren't introduced in the UK until December 2020

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 09:18

@kittensinthekitchen that was clearly a typo.

BigButtons · 19/03/2022 09:18

@FoxyFoxyLoxy that’s your experience. I currently have covid and is in no way been a mild cold for me. I was flat on my back for days. I haven’t been this ill for years.

Mirrorball2022 · 19/03/2022 09:18

It’s obvious they mean 2021 then. But the point is very valid and what we are seeing in my trust also. We’ve been lucky the vaccines have worked on variants but they won’t forever.

Indiana2021 · 19/03/2022 09:18

For all the posters commenting on Scotland having higher case numbers than the rest of UK, that's because there's far more asymptomatic testing and reporting and general isolation compliance still going on up here. Kids still being encouraged to test twice weekly before school etc. I think it's giving a skewed impression of what's actually going on elsewhere.

Teateaandmoretea · 19/03/2022 09:19

Seriously OP stop being so utterly ridiculous.

Teateaandmoretea · 19/03/2022 09:20

@Indiana2021 no it isn’t, it’s because some parts of Scotland have had lower cases in the past and are now catching up. ONS puts Scotland as higher than England also which is nothing to do with asymptomatic testing and all to do with actual infection rates.

Miathecat · 19/03/2022 09:21

A point about mask wearing in Scotland, masks have been removed in secondary schools for roughly two weeks when sitting in classrooms and the school my kids are at is rife now, including my son who has tested positive for the first time
Scotland is very much seeing the effects of the sub variant which is starting to penetrate in England now