On course for another lockdown?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

@CollyFleur if you're CEV you will have had your third primary dose in autumn/winter, and you'll be having your booster about now or quite recently.

My CEV husband has not been entitled to the third primary dose. It was only offered in very specific circumstances that he did not meet, despite being at serious danger should he have caught covid. I think sometimes the press did not always explain that. Hopefully he will be entitled to the so called Spring booster, so keeping our fingers crossed.

Louiseofthelakes hasn't your DH had a fourth jab?

No, unfortunately he did not qualify for the third primary dose. But hopefully in the next couple of weeks he will be able to have his second booster.

@Delatron

Do vaccinations produce t-cells too? I think they do and that will hopefully provide some protection against series disease. Much harder to measure than an antibody response though

My blood cancer is if the t cells so my hematologist had said not in my case

[quote louiseofthelakes]**@CollyFleur if you're CEV you will have had your third primary dose in autumn/winter, and you'll be having your booster about now or quite recently.

My CEV husband has not been entitled to the third primary dose. It was only offered in very specific circumstances that he did not meet, despite being at serious danger should he have caught covid. I think sometimes the press did not always explain that. Hopefully he will be entitled to the so called Spring booster, so keeping our fingers crossed.[/quote]
Yes the third primary dose was only for people with immunosuppression, not all CEV people. FIL has COPD and has had previous lung cancer surgery so did not qualify for that - but should be near the top of the list when they eventually get going with second boosters.

And @Lolaqp - if that poster's mother wants to isolate, she can.Nobody is stopping her, nor berating her for it should she choose to. She doesn't need everyone else to lockdown, too*

In the case of the elderly lady who went on holiday you are correct.

However for my CEV husband, of working age and ordinarily well enough to lead a full life, it is NOT possible. Since the government dropped all restrictions he can no longer demand to work from home, no longer ask for a meeting to be held remotely, no longer be able to move desks or stay home if the person next to him has covid but made the decision to go to work (as legally allowed), maybe (and I know most will disagree with this) ask for your child to not be around other pupils who have tested positive incase they pass it on etc etc. My husband cannot go off sick as he is not ill, and you obviously can't get a sick note for a potential illness, and there is no entitlement to any benefits. So work he must. I do not wish to stop anyone else's freedom, of course not. However, if there could be something to protect those of working age who are CEV it would help enormously. Even the continuation of free tests would help - yes we will buy them but we cannot expect others to do that, of course not. I have no answers but I do think the working CEV group have been somewhat forgotten. I wish it was as simple as being able to isolate, and we can and are doing that socially, but the reality of working life means we cannot just shut the door on the world.

No way will there be another lockdown!!

That would be way too costly!!!

I wonder if this thread is a wind up?

Anyway, I was expressing a personal view, in no way a suggestion or desire that the entire country should be locked down for the sake of one person. I am sorry to have provoked such anger or frustration for some people.

You do not need to apologise in any way REP22. I do understand.

Over the past two years in order to protect my CEV husband we shielded for as long as it was allowed. I did not see my children and grandchildren in the way I wished. I could never have imagined going a week without a grandchild sleepover or a month without a day out together, but of course we did. The dropping of restrictions have made things far more dangerous of those who are CEV, and so although inside I am screaming for a holiday or trip to the zoo with the grandchildren, so I totally understand the need for your mum to want what was important to her too. But as I read responses to your post, and some who misunderstood your words, I realised if we were to throw caution to the wind and have a holiday and did catch covid, most people would think "serves you right". That has really affected me. I wish you, and your mum well.

@louiseofthelakes

And @Lolaqp - if that poster's mother wants to isolate, she can.Nobody is stopping her, nor berating her for it should she choose to. She doesn't need everyone else to lockdown, too*

In the case of the elderly lady who went on holiday you are correct.

However for my CEV husband, of working age and ordinarily well enough to lead a full life, it is NOT possible. Since the government dropped all restrictions he can no longer demand to work from home, no longer ask for a meeting to be held remotely, no longer be able to move desks or stay home if the person next to him has covid but made the decision to go to work (as legally allowed), maybe (and I know most will disagree with this) ask for your child to not be around other pupils who have tested positive incase they pass it on etc etc. My husband cannot go off sick as he is not ill, and you obviously can't get a sick note for a potential illness, and there is no entitlement to any benefits. So work he must. I do not wish to stop anyone else's freedom, of course not. However, if there could be something to protect those of working age who are CEV it would help enormously. Even the continuation of free tests would help - yes we will buy them but we cannot expect others to do that, of course not. I have no answers but I do think the working CEV group have been somewhat forgotten. I wish it was as simple as being able to isolate, and we can and are doing that socially, but the reality of working life means we cannot just shut the door on the world.

I'm CEV and I agree with all of this.

@Lilaclavenders

I wonder if this thread is a wind up?

Have he looked at the numbers?

Cases now rising by nearly 100k per day

In the first week of March, it was 347 per 109k, 8 days ago it was 458 and today it's 724.

This is beginning to be concerning, as hospital admissions are rising sharply now as well.

It's going to make it impossible to tackle the backlog in NHS when you still have to divide between red and green zones (for it would be unacceptable to have those on chemo in the same scanning dept waiting room as positive patients, so throughout will be lower in order to achieve adequate protective measures)

And that's with a mild variant.

It's going to continue to stretch NHS, and only a small increase in severity of disease pattern would cause major problems rapidly (and as covid is infectious before symptoms, there's no evolutionary pressure to be mild - it doesn't matter how ill/dead it leaves the host if it's already moved on, so severity will vary).

I realised if we were to throw caution to the wind and have a holiday and did catch covid, most people would think "serves you right"

Nobody would think that.

Only the most heartless of people would have thought that about that poster's mother.

What people took issue with was the poster wishing for a lockdown because her mother had chosen to go on holiday and caught Covid while on the holiday.

Us CEV people do need to make sometimes quite heartbreaking decisions about what we can and can't do, where we can't go and so on. I've missed loads of things I'd love to have done over the past months. But if I'd chosen to do them and then caught Covid, I wouldn't wish for a lockdown so I couldn't make that decision again. Sadly we do have to accept some responsibility for our health - it was ever thus if you're vulnerable to infectious diseases.

@louiseofthelakes

Anyway, I was expressing a personal view, in no way a suggestion or desire that the entire country should be locked down for the sake of one person. I am sorry to have provoked such anger or frustration for some people.

You do not need to apologise in any way REP22. I do understand.

Over the past two years in order to protect my CEV husband we shielded for as long as it was allowed. I did not see my children and grandchildren in the way I wished. I could never have imagined going a week without a grandchild sleepover or a month without a day out together, but of course we did. The dropping of restrictions have made things far more dangerous of those who are CEV, and so although inside I am screaming for a holiday or trip to the zoo with the grandchildren, so I totally understand the need for your mum to want what was important to her too. But as I read responses to your post, and some who misunderstood your words, I realised if we were to throw caution to the wind and have a holiday and did catch covid, most people would think "serves you right". That has really affected me. I wish you, and your mum well.

Thank you so much for your kind words and understanding @louiseofthelakes. That means a lot. .

Every good wish to you and your husband. xx

No

I realised if we were to throw caution to the wind and have a holiday and did catch covid, most people would think "serves you right"

A very small minority of people would think this

@louiseofthelakes

Anyway, I was expressing a personal view, in no way a suggestion or desire that the entire country should be locked down for the sake of one person. I am sorry to have provoked such anger or frustration for some people.

You do not need to apologise in any way REP22. I do understand.

Over the past two years in order to protect my CEV husband we shielded for as long as it was allowed. I did not see my children and grandchildren in the way I wished. I could never have imagined going a week without a grandchild sleepover or a month without a day out together, but of course we did. The dropping of restrictions have made things far more dangerous of those who are CEV, and so although inside I am screaming for a holiday or trip to the zoo with the grandchildren, so I totally understand the need for your mum to want what was important to her too. But as I read responses to your post, and some who misunderstood your words, I realised if we were to throw caution to the wind and have a holiday and did catch covid, most people would think "serves you right". That has really affected me. I wish you, and your mum well.

No one thinks that at all. But if you went on a holiday, caught Covid and then said I wish we would all be locked down again, as the other poster said, then I'd have an issue with that.

As CV (but immunosuppressant meds) with school
aged kids life is impossible
I’ve had the cold from hell from my kids this week - all3 of us had major congestion, sore throats, headache, sinus issues, coughs blah blah blah.
Sooner rather than later it will be covid. They should be ok even if they have a couple of rough days. Their dad had it asymptomatically. My elderly parent had it and it was milder than my cold.
But I know I’m going to be the one who gets long covid, whose life will be altered by it. I just have bad luck - autoimmune disease I got post a virus. That’s been life altering. I fell over today, and there’s nobody to help me get off the floor. I’ve been crawling g around.
My life is so limited if covid makes it worse that will be the end for me. I can’t go on life this. It’s all planned and ready.
Does that mean we need a lockdown? No. People like me aren’t worth caring about- society has made that very clear.

@GrannyBloomers

As CV (but immunosuppressant meds) with school aged kids life is impossible I’ve had the cold from hell from my kids this week - all3 of us had major congestion, sore throats, headache, sinus issues, coughs blah blah blah. Sooner rather than later it will be covid. They should be ok even if they have a couple of rough days. Their dad had it asymptomatically. My elderly parent had it and it was milder than my cold. But I know I’m going to be the one who gets long covid, whose life will be altered by it. I just have bad luck - autoimmune disease I got post a virus. That’s been life altering. I fell over today, and there’s nobody to help me get off the floor. I’ve been crawling g around. My life is so limited if covid makes it worse that will be the end for me. I can’t go on life this. It’s all planned and ready. Does that mean we need a lockdown? No. People like me aren’t worth caring about- society has made that very clear.

Your post made me a bit teary (covid riddled and emotional, in my defence!).

I am saying this not to belittle your worries, I promise, but to try and reassure you - I'm CEV with an autoimmune disease and on immunosuppressants. As I've said previously I currently have covid for the fifth time. While this time is not pretty, I'm certainly nowhere near as ill as I expected to be. Last time I had it in January it was even milder. One of my infections was asymptomatic.

I'm so sorry you're struggling so much

@REP22

Apologies for upsetting so many. Some of the less-kind responses on here have been more than punishment enough for me. Thank you to those who have been kind and/or tolerant.

My mum follows a particular religion to a fanatical degree (that's fine, it's entirely her choice). It was a religious retreat that she was "strongly encouraged" by the organisers to attend. Were it not associated with her religion she would not have gone on the trip.

Anyway, I was expressing a personal view, in no way a suggestion or desire that the entire country should be locked down for the sake of one person. I am sorry to have provoked such anger or frustration for some people.

Best wishes to you all.

I think if you don’t have experience of an evangelical type of religion it’s hard to understand this, and the implicit coercion around “serving” and “discipleship”. I wonder if the organisation that held this retreat had the initials SS… I certainly know of one that did recently and it predictably turned into a superspreader event. I think it was deplorably irresponsible of them but they’ve got form for being shortsighted like that. Anyway, I wish your mother well.

As for lockdown- I don’t think so, there’s neither public appetite nor budget for it. I think for most people it is such a mild illness that any national initiative would be unjustified, but I do feel for the (genuinely) CEV community; I don’t know what the answer is for them. I’d support some sort of furlough type payment for them but equally they shouldn’t have to lock themselves away forever.

@TalkToTheHand123

If the spike means an overwelm of the NHS then there is a valid arguement for a lockdown. I've never really paid any attention to lockdowns although I'm not a party animal. I'd resist a lockdown as much as possible, whilst respecting vulnerable people as best I can. It's just the trend appears a little concerning.

It really doesn’t,

I’m not really keeping up with changes but I assume we’ll be less likely to get these lockdown threads when further testing drops

We are not on course for another lockdown OP, no.

No PM could survive implementing a lockdown, the government clearly aren't going to fund it and the population are simply not going to have it again. There won't even be any more compulsory restrictions in England, that's how far away we are from the space that made a lockdown possible.

@Saucery

No, it won’t happen. As LFTs aren’t picking up Omicron cases in the first few days even with symptoms, there’s not even much point in isolation any more. Masks if you have any symptoms at all wouldn’t be a bad idea but we’re not that kind of society so that won’t happen either.

Oh they did with DS - first day of symptoms

No way will there be another lockdown.

I know is anecdotal but I was just more ill with a cold than dh - who is male and over 50 - was with covid a couple of weeks ago. Yes, I had a pcr to check.

There will always be deaths and post-viral illnesses with flu as well. Unfortunately it’s the nature of the beast. Most people will be fine with omicron and get cold symptoms. It’s not the same as alpha where the symptoms were more dangerous and we had no vaccines or treatments.

Nope. It’s a case of getting on with things.

It really doesn't matter how many cases there are / the population
COVID isn't going away this has always been known
We only locked down when it seemed the NHS was going to be over whelmed
Unless there is a new varient that is vaccine resistant it's just the way life is going to be now
It's still a nasty virus for some but vaccines are doing their job in the main for now at least