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On course for another lockdown?

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TalkToTheHand123 · 19/03/2022 07:07

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

OP posts:
BoredZelda · 19/03/2022 13:54

Masks mandates also make huge swathes of hospitality etc unviable.

How? There is no reason a mask mandate can impact hospitality. That’s just silly talk.

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 13:55

[quote Lolaqp]@TypicaIMe I tagged 3 people in my post. You need to get a grip. If you can dish it out then don't act so incredulous when you get it back![/quote]
I didn't dish anything out. I said that I was of the opinion that it was wrong for somebody to wish the country to go into lockdown because their mum made a decision of their own free will to go on holiday, and caught Covid as a result.

I certainly didn't accuse anyone of invoking child abuse when they hadn't, either. What a nasty thing to do.

Nor did I use a misogynistic term to describe women who held a different point of view to me.

Sigh. Whatever happened to be kind Grin

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 13:56

@BoredZelda

Masks mandates also make huge swathes of hospitality etc unviable.

How? There is no reason a mask mandate can impact hospitality. That’s just silly talk.

Nightclubs aren't viable when masks are mandated. Just one example.
Lolaqp · 19/03/2022 13:57

@Waxonwaxoff0 I am dealing with it by using my voice too! I'm not going to be silenced by someone like you.

It's perfectly acceptable for people to share their worries and fears of covid. Everyone is absolutely right.

People who have lost businesses are right to fear restrictions.
People who have watched children suffer are right to fear another lockdown.
You are right to not want another lockdown - absolutely you are right.
AND People who have family who are immune compromised are also right to fear the end of restrictions. It is a scary time for them!

That's literally all I'm saying. That was my only point. We can sympathy and empathy for everyone.

Everyone has experienced this pandemic differently and for those who celebrate the end of restrictions that's great but I feel sorry for those where the ending of restrictions brings them uncertainty and fear.

So yes I'm going to step in when a bunch of people go on to attack them for being selfish.

Bobodebo · 19/03/2022 13:59

No, but we might not be able to go on forrin holidays

HesterShaw1 · 19/03/2022 14:00

How? There is no reason a mask mandate can impact hospitality. That’s just silly talk.

No it isn't. If I have to wear a mask in a pub or in the cinema, I won't go. And I'm very far from alone.

I went to the pub in Wales on 27th December to meet a few friends I hadn't seen since before the pandemic. It was crap because of all the Welsh rules and the pub had about four tables occupied. The back room was closed. This is a pub which was always heaving on that date.

CollyFleur · 19/03/2022 14:02

Hospital admissions ARE rising quite sharply.

Cases in the 70+ age group are at their highest ever; these people, along with the CEV cohort are more likely to end up in hospital and will have had their boosters back in Sept / Oct so a good 6 months ago - well into waning immunity territory.

But no one knows because it's not being reported any more - you have to actively seek out that information to know.

But in answer to the OP's question - no they won't lock down again. They'll just tell the over 70s and most vulnerable to take their own precautions.

IcedPurple · 19/03/2022 14:02

@BoredZelda

Masks mandates also make huge swathes of hospitality etc unviable.

How? There is no reason a mask mandate can impact hospitality. That’s just silly talk.

Of course they can.

I know many on MN thinks masks are no trouble at all, and you're 'selfish' if you don't wear one, but many of us can't stand the wretched things. I'm much less likely to go to a restaurant or pub if I have to go through the silly charade of putting on a mask to go to the toilet or order a drink at the bar. And I doubt I'm the only one.

In any case, unless there's some major negative development, I can't see any 'mask mandates' being reintroduced. You may of course continue to wear one as long as you wish.

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 14:05

@CollyFleur if you're CEV you will have had your third primary dose in autumn/winter, and you'll be having your booster about now or quite recently.

I really hope that boosters will continue to be made available to CEV people and the government don't move the goalposts as they have done with antiviral availability and free testing for the most vulnerable.

grapewines · 19/03/2022 14:21

How? There is no reason a mask mandate can impact hospitality. That’s just silly talk.

It's not silly. Many won't go to the pub, the cinema, a restaurant, or the theatre if masks are mandated. It will have an impact on these sectors.

CollyFleur · 19/03/2022 14:34

[quote TypicaIMe]@CollyFleur if you're CEV you will have had your third primary dose in autumn/winter, and you'll be having your booster about now or quite recently.

I really hope that boosters will continue to be made available to CEV people and the government don't move the goalposts as they have done with antiviral availability and free testing for the most vulnerable.[/quote]
Yes, hopefully soon, but haven't been offered yet - or at least not to my FIL who was one of the first to have vaccinations in (first jabs Dec 2020 and Jan 2021 and booster in Sept 2021), let alone my own parents, both over 75. None have heard so much as a peep.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/03/2022 14:40

@louiseofthelakes

I know most people will disagree with me, but from my selfish point of view I found it upsetting that ALL restrictions came to an end just as immunity from booster vaccines for those who are CEV were beginning to wane. My husband is CEV and in many ways the past month has been much more concerning than any time during the pandemic. Until now on the rare times he had to venture out it was reassuring to know that most people were sticking to the rules of the time, wearing masks, social distancing, reassuring to know that most people who tested positive would be isolating. Once our children/grandchildren came to visit again they all tested beforehand, giving us at least some security. But with free testing not to be available anymore this won't be possible.

Now we cannot rely on these levels of protection, the only way to protect him would be to shield again. However as nothing has been put in place to give those who are CEV the freedom to make that decision that is not possible. So going to work, children to school and college, knowing the person sitting next to them might have covid as they no longer have to isolate, is more dangerous than ever. Especially as rates are higher in this area than they have ever been.

It does feel that any public sympathy for those who are CEV has evaporated (as shown in the post about the elderly woman catching covid on a much needed holiday) and certainly the government couldn't care less. But equally I know others should have the freedom to do what they want to do, and not be anymore restricted in any way...it's just for those who are CEV it's a scary time and we feel forgotten. I know I am selfish.

You are not selfish. I feel the same as you. I'm happy that everyone is now able to go out and live their lives again but the CEV could do with a bit of ongoing support.
As a side note, the country didn't lock down to protect the cev, they locked down to protect the nhs. The cev protected themselves by shielding
Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/03/2022 14:42

[quote TypicaIMe]@CollyFleur if you're CEV you will have had your third primary dose in autumn/winter, and you'll be having your booster about now or quite recently.

I really hope that boosters will continue to be made available to CEV people and the government don't move the goalposts as they have done with antiviral availability and free testing for the most vulnerable.[/quote]
I've had my 4th about a month ago and am due a 5th 12 weeks after the 4th.

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 14:46

@Sugarplumfairy65 ah I see. My fifth won't be due until six months after my fourth, which I had a few weeks ago. Unless they change it again which they probably will!

Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/03/2022 14:48

Unless the deaths get significantly worse, there should not be another lockdown. But I do think it's a mistake to stop isolation for positive cases. The country can afford to pay 10 days pay for this.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/03/2022 14:50

[quote TypicaIMe]@Sugarplumfairy65 ah I see. My fifth won't be due until six months after my fourth, which I had a few weeks ago. Unless they change it again which they probably will![/quote]
I'm lucky my consultant is on the ball. Its just a pity that after 4 vaccinations, I still don't have any antibodies.

Delatron · 19/03/2022 14:54

Do vaccinations produce t-cells too? I think they do and that will hopefully provide some protection against series disease. Much harder to measure than an antibody response though

PinkGinBigGrin · 19/03/2022 16:02

Is that you Nanny??

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 16:06

@PinkGinBigGrin

Is that you Nanny??
Grin
mrsbyers · 19/03/2022 16:07

Zero chance with this variant

FromEden · 19/03/2022 16:12

How can anyone even consider lockdowns a possibility after 2 years of experience showing that they don't do anything to stop the spread, they have ruined economies and destroyed the supply chain and countless lives have also been ruined by them. Sorry but anyone pushing for more lockdowns at this stage, over something not even as bad as the flu is a complete idiot.

TheKeatingFive · 19/03/2022 16:25

Do vaccinations produce t-cells too?

They produce a T cell reaction yes. Having no antibodies doesn't mean no immunity. Though T cell response isn't easy to measure.

MajorCarolDanvers · 19/03/2022 16:34

Not a chance

MrsMigginsCat · 19/03/2022 16:41

Not going to happen. That ship sailed 12 months ago.

TypicaIMe · 19/03/2022 16:43

@TheKeatingFive

Do vaccinations produce t-cells too?

They produce a T cell reaction yes. Having no antibodies doesn't mean no immunity. Though T cell response isn't easy to measure.

I'm immunosuppressed and my consultant told me that although I might not get a good antibody response from vaccines even after four, I would have some T cell response. In his words 'They're the important boys'.

Given I have covid again and (although really not very well and thoroughly fed up!) not seriously ill or in need of hospital care, he's clearly correct!

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