Triple vaxxd so how have you got covid

[Nearlythere28]

I’ve got covid. On day 3 and think I’m doing very well. Been doing the washing and eating usual amounts of food etc . The mother (anti vaxxer) has pissed me off tonight. “Oh well why have u got covid when you’ve had the vaccine”. Have to laugh.

@nearlyspringyay

great explanation above!

FWIW, I know several with Covid at the moment, more than at the peak. All triple vaccinated and all more ill (not seriously ill), than I was last summer and again at Christmas. I think the efficacy of the first and possibly second vaccines are waning. It will be a programme of boosters, boosters, boosters to keep it under control.

I am not prepared to have boosters, boosters, boosters.

@TypicaIMe

Lots of laws are passed in public health crises which may seem unpalatable in 'normal' times. It's how we get through health crises. Vaccines are no longer mandated even in the countries where they briefly were.

We were told vaccines helped to slow transmission, not stop it entirely. Also worth remembering that this applied to the original strain of covid, for which vaccines were developed. As a virus mutates, so vaccine efficacy may change, that's why we have different flu vaccines every year. I'm not sure why you never understood this. It was explained to me when I went for my first vaccine (a year ago today as it happens) and every one since.

This is misinformation. Australia still has vaccine mandates for industries such as aged care, teachers, teaching staff and anyone that works on school grounds such as gardeners, and all health sectors including chiro, dentists and admin. In some parts of Australia, people are still unable to work unvaccinated even if they work from home.

It really irks me when people claim that the vaccine isn’t mandated and that it’s a free choice when my country is mandating 3 vaccines if eligible, to work.
It is why conversations like this need to be had because for some people, it isn’t a choice to say no thank you, or no more, unless they are ready to lose their livelihoods.

@orzoisorange

Yes, we certainly were told vaccines would stop the virus and people wouldn't get sick:

I really don't understand why people have either a) forgotten this entirely or b) are trying to convince themselves this was never the case. There's evidence everywhere and governments and the media need to be taken to task.

I'm pro-vaccine, but this is absolutely true. And backpedalling and saying 'vaccines were never meant to prevent covid, only lessen the symptoms' is absolute rubbish. They were absolutely touted as a way to STOP covid.

And no, they do not compare to the other vaccines out there, which actually do stop you getting the disease - I don't know a single vaccinated person who has caught measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, etc.

As is the absolute and total rubbish of these vaccines being 95% effective. They are not. Almost everyone I know who has been vaxxed has also then caught covid.

It's an entirely legitimate question and one that should be allowed to be asked without being labelled as an antivaxxer. Everyone I know who has had covid recently has been triple vaccinated. Surely there's a discussion to be had?

The vaccines have lessened the seriousness of covid. There is less hospitalisations.

The only way transmissions is going to be reduced is for people to adopt appropriate hygiene and manner practices. The amount of people I see who make 0 attempt to conceal germs is astonishing.

I first hand experiences of wallies.
My partner had a heavy cold last year and he thought it was appropriate to attend to a dinner where he proceeded to cough. He made a slight attempt to cover his cough but in my opinion it was a weak attempt. He made a first with his hand and kept it an inch or two away from his mouth and coughed like that. There was no attempt to block germs from spreading onto others. Many people came down sick after that.

My mother is the same - cough and sneeze manners is not in her vocabulary. She is someone who coughs and sneezes into the open.

My parents in law are the same - they cough into their hands and then they don't carry out any hand hygiene so whatever they pick up or touch is a potential germ hotbed.

I witnessed so much more too from other people.

In my opinion I think germs have to be blocked from being expelled forward into a room. It makes sense to me to bury my face into my elbow and to cough and sneeze like that.

I suppose many people would prefer if science would catch up and develop a pill or a tablet or vaccine to stop transmission altogether so that they can continue on with poor hygiene and manners.

I posted quotes earlier in the thread where members of the medical community and pfizer absolutely did say the vaccine prevents transmission ("100%!"). Even joe biden said it. It's gaslighting at this point to say this didn't happen

It’s the behavioural unit and nudging showing they did a great job @CoastalWave

@towers14

It's an entirely legitimate question and one that should be allowed to be asked without being labelled as an antivaxxer. Everyone I know who has had covid recently has been triple vaccinated. Surely there's a discussion to be had?

Absolutely.

I suppose many people would prefer if science would catch up and develop a pill or a tablet or vaccine to stop transmission altogether so that they can continue on with poor hygiene and manners.

We already a great weapon against circulating viruses .... our immune system!!

Seems as though there is a lot more than jabs preventing serious illness or otherwise.

Yes, probably a great immune system!

@FromEden

I posted quotes earlier in the thread where members of the medical community and pfizer absolutely did say the vaccine prevents transmission ("100%!"). Even joe biden said it. It's gaslighting at this point to say this didn't happen

I remember one in particular something like be a "dead end" for the virus because you won't spread it.

Widely advertised. Totally untrue. History rewritten.

@TypicaIMe

We were never, ever told vaccines stop transmission, either.

We absolutely were. This one sticks in my mind. Fauci, chief medical advisor to president Biden

Fauci added that vaccinated people essentially become "dead ends" for the virus to spread within their communities.

Now I can accept that this new technology is not what we first thought. What I detest is the rewrite of history, where we pretend something never happened.

Yep. The full quote from Fauci below. (Posted yesterday too but ignored by the gaslighters trying to deny facts)

"When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community," Fauci said. "In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere."

Funny how people have a great memory for certain things but not others.

The vaccines (plural - not all but most) were generally great at preventing infections, then things moved on, evolved, and subsequent mutations rendered them less effective. This was spelled out clearly at each point a new development was identified. This is also not a new concept in medicine.

All the vaccines we use now are based off a variant in circulation in 2020 which I believe is extinct now. They’ve done really well so far and the future is likely to concentrate newer vaccines on dominant strains, possibly (likely) giving us vaccines that will prevent infection.

For now the best we’ve got is the ability to minimise how sick people get. That’s a good thing. No one was misled or lied to.

@Cornettoninja We absolutely were misled and lied to. What about ‘fifteen million jabs to freedom’?

Or Kate Bingham, at the time head of the U.K. government vaccine task force, quoted in the Financial Times on October 4th 2020, stating that less than half the U.K. would be vaccinated?

She categorically stated that the vaccine would not be rolled out to the under-50s, and that there was no indication towards vaccinating young adults. Certainly not teenagers and younger children.

We are not encouraged to revisit these assurances.

Even on this thread we've had the

"no one ever said..."

Line repeatedly. But they did, it was said very often. Unfortunately it was immediately clear they didn't stop spread. And always obvious the virus would change. It's hard to swallow. That they only reduce symptoms. But I don't see the point in lying to ourselves.

Well you have your reality and I have mine.

I’ve had disappointments over the vaccines at various points but have never felt lied to or misled. But then I never put all my bets on anyone stating anything categorically because frankly that’s always been impossible to call, and still is now.

Great spin! You never believed the lies so you're not dissapointed! I'm much the same tbh.

@Natfemale what you said about other vaccines giving 100% is rubbish as at least one other pp as said. Stop spreading rubbish.

I still have immunity from my childhood vaccinations 30+ years ago. I know this from a blood test. They certainly work a lot better than the covid "vaccines", that's for sure.

Well, vaccines for measles, scarlet fever, polio, mumps, yellow fever, typhoid, rubella all stop you getting the disease. Amongst many others. These ‘vaccines’ only appear to reduce symptoms. In some people.

"What is vaccination?
Vaccination is the safest way to protect your child against an infectious disease. Once your child has been vaccinated, they should have the ability to fight off the disease if they come into contact with it. They will have a level of protection, or immunity, against the disease ."

Written to be easily understood at www.immunology.org/celebrate-vaccines/public-engagement/guide-childhood-vaccinations/how-vaccines-work#How%20do%20vaccines%20work?

That's just not true about the other vaccines. Look up their effectiveness. My son and many of his peers got mild doses of mumps at university despite full MMR vaccination because so many of his age group didn't get vaccinated in the wake of the Wakefield saga. The flu vaccine is remarkably ineffective when you look at the stats but it's better than not vaccinating vulnerable groups as it saves some people and allows milder illness in others.

Ok so why do we know no one who gets polio, scarlet fever , etc anymore?

There is no vaccine against scarlet fever. People do still get it - I know someone who had it - but I imagine it's less common because of better health and hygiene generally.

Some vaccines are more effective than others. Polio is a very effective vaccine and is almost universally given to infants and small children. We don't have large swathes of the population unvaccinated against polio as we currently do with Covid (all children under 12 as well as many adults). There are still cases of polio in the world but they are extremely rare.

Efficacy rates for other common vaccines include flu at 40- 60 measles at 97% and mumps as low as 88% (78% if only one dose).