Triple vaxxd so how have you got covid

[Nearlythere28]

I’ve got covid. On day 3 and think I’m doing very well. Been doing the washing and eating usual amounts of food etc . The mother (anti vaxxer) has pissed me off tonight. “Oh well why have u got covid when you’ve had the vaccine”. Have to laugh.

[quote Flyonawalk]@MrsSkylerWhite You say ‘the vaccines were never going to prevent covid’.

That isn’t right. Pfizer claimed that they were going to prevent it.

Pfizer’s submission to the FDA, after which their vaccine was given emergency use authorisation, stated that the vaccine was indicated for ‘active immunisation to prevent covid-19 caused by SARS-cov-2 in individuals’.

The vaccine doesn’t do what the manufacturer claimed it would.

It is wholly reasonable (though uncomfortable) to question why vaccinated people are falling ill.[/quote]
It was also supposed to be 95 percent effective or something in that range. Which proved to be rubbish.

@SummersBreeze

I found a tiktok video a few months ago. Back in October or November. It was from a doctor or someone else who works medically and studies this kind of stuff.

Remember at the start, nobody knew what covid was?

Basically the thought now is that covid is aggregating the inflammation that people already have in their bodies. The warning from the video was to get your inflammation in under control.

There's loads of different inflammatory conditions and covid targeting inflammation and then it spirals.

I think maybe that's what some people are hit hard and others aren't.
There's probably loads of people with hidden inflammation and undiagnosed conditions.

This isn't a new theory. I have rheumatoid arthritis and it's always been the case that covid tends to hit those of us with autoimmune conditions harder, that's why we're considered CEV and eligible for four doses of vaccine. It can trigger a cytokine storm in extreme cases, which can overwhelm the organs and cause them to fail.

@orzoisorange

Yes, we certainly were told vaccines would stop the virus and people wouldn't get sick:

I really don't understand why people have either a) forgotten this entirely or b) are trying to convince themselves this was never the case. There's evidence everywhere and governments and the media need to be taken to task.

We were never told that the vaccines would stop transmission . We were told initial results looked positive but that only time would tell. Time has passed and we now know the vaccines ensure that people are less ill on average when they get covid and they reduce the likelihood of catching Covid as well note I say reduce the likelihood not ' prevent') . We also know that the effectiveness of the vaccines wane over time but by how much we don't yet know . None of this means the vaccines weren't incredibly successful.

@SummersBreeze

That's probably true and the government could have done lots to reduce the risk in people with lifestyle initiatives, instead of total reliance on a vaccine - and we'd all be healthier in general anyway! Obesity is a condition which comes with severe inflammation.

Instead obesity rates, including in children, have rocketed because of lockdowns. Perfect.

Time has passed and we now know the vaccines ensure that people are less ill on average when they get covid and they reduce the likelihood of catching Covid as well note I say reduce the likelihood not ' prevent

Do you have evidence for these claims? I have seen the opposite - that the rate of infection is higher amongst vaccinated people than unvaccinated people. Shown in Scottish, English and Danish data

If you are interested in the inflammation theory I highly suggest you read this, and follow up on the sources, it is also very interesting.

skeptoid.com/episodes/4614

"We were never told that the viruses would stop transmission."
@bumblingbovine49, this is a false memory. Yes, we were.

Did you watch the video on the link I posted upthread? Rachel Maddow from MNBSC says:

"Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus STOPS with every vaccinated person. A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus? The virus does not infect them, the virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else."

This is verbatim, and went out to an audience of millions. I'm not sure why people are still disputing the reality of what we were told back then.

Hamster, do you mean that more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people get ill? This is true but it's not the right figure to look at.

To illustrate, take it on a smaller scale. Imagine 100 people, 70 vaccinated, 30 unvaccinated. 50 of them get sick. Of the sick people, 20 are unvaccinated and 30 are vaccinated.

If you look at the numbers and say look, more sick people are vaccinated than unvaccinated! That's proof the vaccine didn't work! You'd be wrong, because 30 people out of 70 is a minority - less than half of them got sick. Then if you look at the unvaccinated population, 20 out of 30 of them got sick - over half, in fact two thirds. The only reason that there are more vaccinated people in the group of sick people is because there are more vaccinated people to begin with.

I don’t think anyone knows. Unless there’s ongoing controlled clinical trials looking at the difference in an omicron infection between unvaccinated, doubled jabbed and boosted then there’s no reliable evidence. A vaccinated person with covid doesn’t know how they would react to the same strain of Covid if they weren’t vaccinated. Yes, there’s more cases in vaccinated then unvaccinated but there’ll also be differences in who’s had a previous infection, how often people are testing and their behaviors.

Hospitalizations and deaths are significantly lower then at the start but this could also be due to immunity from previous infections and less lethal mutations/variants.

Given there has never been a successful (as in stops infection and transmission) vaccine for coronavirus’s, any claims that this would be the case for a Covid vaccine were misleading.

It seems as though people are almost expecting just to get Covid anyway these days, regardless of whether they've been vaxxed or not.

I know, as if vaccines were never available..!

I actually know more people getting ill after being vaccinated than those who are unvaccinated. Just anecdotal but still.

[quote Flyonawalk]@SummersBreeze Your post above about inflammation is fascinating, thank you. I will research this.

So much disease is thought to be rooted in chronic inflammation. Presumably anything we can do to reduce it, through diet etc, would be helpful.

Thank you for posting this interesting information.[/quote]
That's right.

I'm doing my best now with my diet with loads of vegetables and eggs and fish and water and some supplements. I am anxious because I am a gut condition that causes inflammation and infection but if test positive, I think I will move to a liquid iet for a day or two and give the bowel a rest and hope for the best.

To me it's akin to asking why someone still suffered an injury in a car crash even though they were wearing a seatbelt. Well without it it would be 100X worse probably.

@HowIsThisRight

To me it's akin to asking why someone still suffered an injury in a car crash even though they were wearing a seatbelt. Well without it it would be 100X worse probably.

@HowIsThisRight, this is hyperbolic. If all those vaxxed who got Covid were not vaxxed, they would not all suffer from it 100x worse. They would all be dead if this was the case!

I'm not sure why people are still forgetting or denying the fact that for the huge, overwhelming majority of people, it's a mild virus. We've been told this from the start.

[quote hamstersarse]@SummersBreeze

That's probably true and the government could have done lots to reduce the risk in people with lifestyle initiatives, instead of total reliance on a vaccine - and we'd all be healthier in general anyway! Obesity is a condition which comes with severe inflammation.

Instead obesity rates, including in children, have rocketed because of lockdowns. Perfect.[/quote]
For sure. The government should be using the upcoming energy and food crisis as a way to make the nation healthier. Perhaps reduce the costs of fresh fruits and vegetables and fish and eggs as a way.

Obesity is so complex. I am obese. It came from my childhood because I was raised on a poor diet. I remember most evenings when I was small having chips with sauce for dinner. There was no nutrition in my diet when I was small - cereal for breakfast, white bread sandwiches with cheese for lunch, chips with curry sauce for dinner.

I never knew how to eat properly when I entered into my adulthold. The textbooks say to eat a balanced healthy diet but all those bad habits came with me. It was only when I enter into my 30s, I changed it all around. I have more energy now hitting 40 than I ever had before. Then there's exercise. I love exercise and this is not an excuse sometimes my back is up to the wall with huge intensity from work and I could easily work morning time til night time and there is no time to exercise. Aside from the walk to and from work. If I had more balance to my day, I sweat to God, stones would fall off me.

There's so much more to obesity though. It can be a result of medication too.

It's all too easy to target obesity. It's definitely an issue that needs to be tackled.

Obesity does cause inflammatory markers to rise and covid was hitting obese people hard.

For those interested in diet and reducing inflammation I would recommend you do some research on vegetable oils. They are more prevalent than ever in the western diet and are highly processed and inflammatory. If you can make one easy change in your diet it would be to cut out vegetable oils. But they are literally everywhere. It's easy to do when you cook at home though. And try to pay attention to labels when shopping. There is vegetable oils in everything so if you can reduce your intake of that, it should help with inflammation

[quote Flyonawalk]@MrsSkylerWhite You say ‘the vaccines were never going to prevent covid’.

That isn’t right. Pfizer claimed that they were going to prevent it.

Pfizer’s submission to the FDA, after which their vaccine was given emergency use authorisation, stated that the vaccine was indicated for ‘active immunisation to prevent covid-19 caused by SARS-cov-2 in individuals’.

The vaccine doesn’t do what the manufacturer claimed it would.

It is wholly reasonable (though uncomfortable) to question why vaccinated people are falling ill.[/quote]
You're fighting a losing battle. Just smile and nod.

@VictoriaBlossom I know your comment is tongue in cheek, but thankfully many of us on this thread will definitely not smile and nod!

@BertieBotts

Hamster, do you mean that more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people get ill? This is true but it's not the right figure to look at.

To illustrate, take it on a smaller scale. Imagine 100 people, 70 vaccinated, 30 unvaccinated. 50 of them get sick. Of the sick people, 20 are unvaccinated and 30 are vaccinated.

If you look at the numbers and say look, more sick people are vaccinated than unvaccinated! That's proof the vaccine didn't work! You'd be wrong, because 30 people out of 70 is a minority - less than half of them got sick. Then if you look at the unvaccinated population, 20 out of 30 of them got sick - over half, in fact two thirds. The only reason that there are more vaccinated people in the group of sick people is because there are more vaccinated people to begin with.

@BertieBotts I didn't want to answer for @hamstersarse, but maybe she didn't see your message.

Yes, overall numbers are of course higher in vaccinated people as there are so many more of them – that's a given. What hamster is talking about is rates. To my understanding, the rate per 100,000 of cases, hospitalisations and deaths is higher in vaccinated people and has been for several months –not something you will see being shouted from the rooftops, of course(!)

Take a look at @FreedomPodcast1 on Twitter –he forensically examines the weekly data from the Scottish govt and Public Health England. Well, he did examine the Scottish figures, but the breakdown by vaccination status has now been withdrawn from the weekly report and is not published any more. Probably something to do with what @FreedomPodcast1 was exposing!

That is very strange if it is the case, I wonder what makes the population of England, Scotland and Wales so different, as it is the opposite way around in Germany at least the last time I saw any figures.

You do know there are misleading ways to present data. I don't think anything is being "exposed". I might look it up later if I get bored.

@BertieBotts

That is very strange if it is the case, I wonder what makes the population of England, Scotland and Wales so different, as it is the opposite way around in Germany at least the last time I saw any figures.

You do know there are misleading ways to present data. I don't think anything is being "exposed". I might look it up later if I get bored.

@BertieBottsThe "misleading ways to present data" most definitely works both ways.

@FreedomPodcast1 is a thorn in the side of Public Health Scotland because of what he's doing. Scotgov too –take a look at his comments in reply to this:

twitter.com/scotgov/status/1504096789212901380

@BertieBotts

Hamster, do you mean that more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people get ill? This is true but it's not the right figure to look at.

To illustrate, take it on a smaller scale. Imagine 100 people, 70 vaccinated, 30 unvaccinated. 50 of them get sick. Of the sick people, 20 are unvaccinated and 30 are vaccinated.

If you look at the numbers and say look, more sick people are vaccinated than unvaccinated! That's proof the vaccine didn't work! You'd be wrong, because 30 people out of 70 is a minority - less than half of them got sick. Then if you look at the unvaccinated population, 20 out of 30 of them got sick - over half, in fact two thirds. The only reason that there are more vaccinated people in the group of sick people is because there are more vaccinated people to begin with.

No, I mean rates, proportionately

Yes, it’s the Daily Sceptic but numbers from official data and it’s just not reported in general. Not sure why, are we not entitled to know this? 🤷‍♀️

dailysceptic.org/2022/03/13/infection-rates-higher-in-triple-vaccinated-than-unvaccinated-across-all-age-groups-ukhsa-data-show/

@orzoisorange

Vaccines don't stop us all getting covid. They can prevent infection in some but not the majority.

Something that doesn't prevent infection in the majority should not be known as a vaccine. It should have another name.

You're not the first person on here to say this so it's clearly an 'antivaxx' thing. Vaccination is a broad term for provoking an immune response by introducing a weakened/modified version of an infectious agent. Covid vaccines fit this definition.

Seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. All triple vaxed here. DS had it last year. Dh this year. Both times I didnt catch it despite being in close contact.

To be fair, it was easy to pin all our hopes on the vaccine, and our expectations of it were, in hindsight probably too high.

I do think that immunity wanes, and coronavirus vaccines in the past I think have been difficult due to how unstable the virus is. Which is why we all keeping getting colds, and can't be vaccinated from them. And it's only the new, untested vaccines that have been the most effect ie the mRNA types. We can only test their long term effectiveness by the passage of time.

There is no doubt of their effectiveness though. They have got the virus levels down to a point where life is near normal albeit in a healing phase. With the hindsight that I have now, I would have them again, and will continue to do so unless something nasty crops up.

I wouldn’t hesitate to have another round of vaccination but @declutteringmymind - life isn’t normal

I know more people with Covid that any previous time, school classes closing, loads of my colleagues off

Into week 3 off work : previous longest absence (in 20 years) has been less than a week for flu

The idea of going through this twice a year makes me want to cry, also worried about damage virus is doing to my body