Triple vaxxd so how have you got covid

[Nearlythere28]

I’ve got covid. On day 3 and think I’m doing very well. Been doing the washing and eating usual amounts of food etc . The mother (anti vaxxer) has pissed me off tonight. “Oh well why have u got covid when you’ve had the vaccine”. Have to laugh.

I'm also day 3 and feel rotten, despite triple jab.

With two vaccines AND a booster, you really shouldn't feel rotten for 3 days (if the marketing claims are to believed).

Vaccines were never going to prevent Covid. They were supposed to lessen its effects if you did contract it. Which they do

Do they really?

There are many unvaccinated people who've had Covid, especially omicron, very mildly!

@Lilaclavenders

Vaccines were never going to prevent Covid. They were supposed to lessen its effects if you did contract it. Which they do

Do they really?

There are many unvaccinated people who've had Covid, especially omicron, very mildly!

As was repeated many times in the early stages, the vast, overwhelming majority of ALL people will get it mildly, vaccine or no vaccine. Another thing that seems to have been forgotten.

@Specsandflowers

Vaccines are like seat belts in a car. It is preferable to wear one but it doesn't mean that it will protect everyone regardless of the type of accident you might have.

We all have slightly different immune systems (some of us have allergies and intolerances some don't).

Just like in a car accident where factors such as speed of the vehicles, type of collision, the type of car you drive, weight of the car... same goes for covid. How have you been exposed, for how long, what is your immune system like for covid family of viruses, do you have existing conditions that might make it difficult for you to breathe?

Overall, as a population, vaccines mitigate the effects of the virus, just like overall wearing seat belts give a level of protection.

Is it possible to have a fatal accident with a seat belt? yes. Is it possible for some drivers to walk out of their cars without a scratch after a 200 mph collision? yes.

Similarly some triple vaxxed people can catch covid and be ill some unvaxxed people can be exposed to a high viral load and not feel a thing.

I love this explanation!

@Warm90 this explanation is deluded apologism.

great explanation above!

FWIW, I know several with Covid at the moment, more than at the peak. All triple vaccinated and all more ill (not seriously ill), than I was last summer and again at Christmas. I think the efficacy of the first and possibly second vaccines are waning. It will be a programme of boosters, boosters, boosters to keep it under control.

It does make me laugh when I hear people say "Imagine what it would have been like without the vaccine"

Only 30% of over 80s in Hong Kong are fully vaxxed. Their vax isn't as effective as our either. Currently the case fatality rate in Hong Kong is 1 in 20 for the whole population. This is higher than the worst point in the UK. Against Omicron which is supposed to be milder.

(source John Burn-Murdoch of the FT)

Vaccines don't stop us all getting covid. They can prevent infection in some but not the majority. They can reduce transmission though. And they can reduce severity significantly.

There are less deaths and hospitalisations as a result of this.

Vaccines don't stop us all getting covid. They can prevent infection in some but not the majority.

Something that doesn't prevent infection in the majority should not be known as a vaccine. It should have another name.

@hamstersarse

It does make me laugh when I hear people say "Imagine what it would have been like without the vaccine"

Why?

I'm CEV/immunosuppressed. I dread to think what my current (and previous) infections would have been like without that protection.

Laugh all you like.

@Lilaclavenders

When the vaccines were launched last year:

"Trial results for two COVID-19 vaccines suggest at least 90% efficacy against symptomatic disease"

And that has clearly not been the case...!

At least 90% efficacy against the original variant.

Viruses mutate and vaccines are tweaked to keep pace - that's why we have a different flu vaccine every year (and indeed why, on the rare occasions that the forthcoming season's variant has been predicted incorrectly, we have higher mortality from flu in those years).

Going forward covid vaccines are being developed with a wider 'reach' and will only need to be given annually, like the flu jab.

@hamstersarse

It does make me laugh when I hear people say "Imagine what it would have been like without the vaccine"

See the John Burn-Murdoch Thread on twitter about Hong Kong. It compares it to NZ.

Countries with a zero covid policy so no natural immunity are an interesting case study.

They are skyrocketing in cases. However NZ which got a very very high vaccination rate with mRNA vaccines into the elderly is doing really really well in comparison.

Anywhere that used less effective vaccines or didn't get high enough vaccination rates in the elderly is having a car crash. (note about uk: az was better for us than waiting for vaccines because we had high case load. Az + mRNA has done us well. Plus our vaccination program and number of elderly we did vaccinate limited what could have been a lot worse. Now high levels of natural immunity are paying off compared to other countries. Top up boosters are inevitable though)

China has completely screwed the pooch cos it put everything into zero covid not vaccines as a policy. Its ending badly. Really badly.

@orzoisorange

Vaccines don't stop us all getting covid. They can prevent infection in some but not the majority.

Something that doesn't prevent infection in the majority should not be known as a vaccine. It should have another name.

No vaccine is 100% effective.

The effectiveness of the vaccines we have is particularly high.

Vaccine is the appropriate name. We can invent a word for something thats 100% effective that doesn't exist another time.

HTH.

Triple vaxxed, still feeling exhausted a month after Covid

Probably be dead without the vaccines !

@LaurieFairyCake

Triple vaxxed, still feeling exhausted a month after Covid

Probably be dead without the vaccines !

But the vast, vast, overwhelming majority of people DON'T die of Covid –so why would you think this?

Headteacher in a secondary school.

Triple vaxxed and caught Covid for the first time last week.

Feel really poorly! And grateful for the vaccine!

@orzoisorange

Vaccines don't stop us all getting covid. They can prevent infection in some but not the majority.

Something that doesn't prevent infection in the majority should not be known as a vaccine. It should have another name.

I don’t think you understand what a vaccine is and how it is developed. So I am providing a simple definition from Google:

“a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.”

Also this might enlighten you: www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/why-multiple-doses-covid19-vaccine

A vaccine is a biological substance designed to protect humans from infections caused by bacteria and viruses. Vaccines are also called immunizations because they take advantage of our natural immune system’s ability to prevent infectious illness.

@orzoisorange

Yes, we certainly were told vaccines would stop the virus and people wouldn't get sick:

I really don't understand why people have either a) forgotten this entirely or b) are trying to convince themselves this was never the case. There's evidence everywhere and governments and the media need to be taken to task.

This! We were told the vaccine would be a cure for this. We were told 90%+ efficacy depending on the vaccine. It wasn't until it was implemented and wasn't actually working that the government & scientists started backtracking and medically gaslighting us to believe it wasn't actually a vaccine that would prevent covid, but just make symptoms less severe.

There was a virologist scientist who gave an excellent explanation on YouTube at a city hall / government meeting explaining why vaccines cannot cure respiratory illnesses and have in depth information explaining why, but the video from the meeting has since been removed 🧐

Vaccines do, and are meant to prevent a person catching the disease. That is how many diseases have been eradicated. Small pox, polio, etc. Because they work. You almost never hear about a break through case of X disease from a vaccine protected person with one of those preventable diseases. Because they are preventable. With a vaccine. That works.

All these people going oh gosh, I probably would have died without the vaccine. That's very unlikely. Seriously ill yes - probably like they were even with the vaccine. Those who were fairly symptomless. Also potentially just how their body could cope with covid. I'm unvaccinated. I weighed up and stressed over whether to get it or not. Am very glad I didn't now. Got Covid as did my entire unvaccinated household and barely even knew it. We worked throughout and were virtually asymptomatic. If I had got the vaccine I would have put it down to that, just as most vaccinated people have. There really is no way to know for sure.

But viruses have a course they run through. The Spanish flu of 1918 lasted roughly 2 years without a vaccine. We're 2 years on now and starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I hope because they virus has run it's course and will just be a regular yearly flu type thing. Of course some will get sick and die. Most will not. Just like with the flu

@brid90 "a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity"

Yes, provide immunity. But these vaccines clearly don't. It seems as though people are almost expecting just to get Covid anyway these days, regardless of whether they've been vaxxed or not. It's really not much of an endorsement for the vaccines.

What worries me is how easily people have changed their own mental goalposts of what's acceptable and what isn't. If we'd been told in March 2020 that four injections would have been required within two years, major questions would have been asked and I suspect the uptake would have been far lower.

"Medical gaslighting", as @WineGetsMeThroughIt says above, is exactly right.

I’ve had Covid both pre and post being triple vaxed. My post vaccination symptoms were identical to my pre vaccination symptoms. I was floored both times and evoke I didn’t need hospitalisation, it was pretty grim. Not a great endorsement of the vaccines.

I had my booster in December (so not massively long ago) and have just had covid. I wasn't very ill but it dragged on.

OH is unvaccinated, tested positive for two days and then it cleared up.

It's really made me wonder what the point of the vaccine is.

@MoodySky

It's not even worth a response! I'm also day 3 and feel rotten, despite triple jab. How you're better soon.

There's several replies on this thread from people with a similar experience as you where people have been floored with covid even after vaccination.

Why isn't this information more widely known? Everywhere online is from people saying covid is mild now.

I had my own employers play Russian fucking roulette with me this week and I had a girl working with me who had symptoms last week but she tested negative and she continued to go to work. Then she tested positive, took a day off and came back to work coughing.

I now have a sore throat which I can only presume is covid. I don't know what way this infection is going to go for me whether it stays mild or if it blows the other way but ah sure, it's only mild according to some.

I found a tiktok video a few months ago. Back in October or November. It was from a doctor or someone else who works medically and studies this kind of stuff.

Remember at the start, nobody knew what covid was?

Basically the thought now is that covid is aggregating the inflammation that people already have in their bodies. The warning from the video was to get your inflammation in under control.

There's loads of different inflammatory conditions and covid targeting inflammation and then it spirals.

I think maybe that's what some people are hit hard and others aren't.
There's probably loads of people with hidden inflammation and undiagnosed conditions.

@SummersBreeze Your post above about inflammation is fascinating, thank you. I will research this.

So much disease is thought to be rooted in chronic inflammation. Presumably anything we can do to reduce it, through diet etc, would be helpful.

Thank you for posting this interesting information.