U-turn on mandatory Covid vaccinations for NHS and social care workers

[WineGetsMeThroughIt]

Apparently this will be announced tomorrow. Thank god there's some sense coming back into this world

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/front-line-health-staff-no-longer-need-covid-vaccines/

[quote worriedatthemoment]@WineGetsMeThroughIt but nhs have compulsory vaccines like hep b already so its not totally new is it [/quote]
There is long term safety data available on Hep B and they are not required every few months either.

CV vaccines are now being linked to spinal cord inflammation.

40k care sector staff left over this, will they be compensated now?

@caringcarer

I am sorry if medical and care staff don't get vaccinated. I would not want to be treated by an anti vaxer.

Not everyone who refuses a jab is completely anti vaccine - they are just making a choice for themselves.

If you refused to see someone unvaccinated you are exchaning one risk for another by possibly having to wait longer to be seen.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I am very pro vaccination but I am also not a fan of this vaccine being mandatory.

About time a sensible decision was made.

To all those who continued to stand their ground, congratulations. I know how hard it can be to be the nail that sticks out in the NHS and the pressure some were put under.

Great news. Well done all the NHS workers who resisted the mandate, massive respect for you all.

Can we also just acknowledge the collosal waste of time this has been for many people who have been desperately trying to deal with this in each Trust.

@Lampshading

Can we also just acknowledge the collosal waste of time this has been for many people who have been desperately trying to deal with this in each Trust.

Good point.

How disappointing.

Good very pro-vax but post-Brexit given the staffing crisis and the facts that the vaxes aren't sterilising this was absolutely nuts

PAFMO Mon 31-Jan-22 06:14:04
ToooutThere

you just have to look at how this tyranny is about to crumble as the world is finally waking up ... amazing to see what's going on in every corner of the globe these last few days, e.g. Canada Trucker Freedom Convoy, freedom marches in Paris, Brussels, London, the Czech Republic challenging central Europe’s vaccine and lockdown measures. It's liberating to see people finally coming to their senses.

What that tinfoil hat. Bit windy today.

@PAFMO - lovely comment. You should try and be a bit more grateful.... they are only fighting for YOUR basic human rights in all four corners of the globe! What are you doing in the meantime other than making snide comments on MN?!

BREAKING NEWS:
Vaccine mandate for NHS staff scrapped as Javid makes U-turn

@ToooutThere

PAFMO Mon 31-Jan-22 06:14:04 ToooutThere

you just have to look at how this tyranny is about to crumble as the world is finally waking up ... amazing to see what's going on in every corner of the globe these last few days, e.g. Canada Trucker Freedom Convoy, freedom marches in Paris, Brussels, London, the Czech Republic challenging central Europe’s vaccine and lockdown measures. It's liberating to see people finally coming to their senses.

What that tinfoil hat. Bit windy today.

@PAFMO - lovely comment. You should try and be a bit more grateful.... they are only fighting for YOUR basic human rights in all four corners of the globe! What are you doing in the meantime other than making snide comments on MN?!

I sometimes think that a cohort of people don’t actually want any human right.

Just look at the “disappointed” comments on here. Disappointed that people won’t have to take a vaccine they don’t want to keep their jobs?

What about when something is mandated that these people don’t like?

Thank fuck for people all round the world fighting against it.

Good news indeed, just appalling that so many care workers have already been lost!

@caringcarer

I am sorry if medical and care staff don't get vaccinated. I would not want to be treated by an anti vaxer.

Choosing not to be vaccinated does not make a person an "anti-vaxxer" (for the millionth time of saying this 🤦🏽‍♀️

The problem is that vaccination programmes don't work effectively without a high uptake. It's clear that the sizeable group of antivaxxers have succeeded in undermining its efficacy at least to some extent.

Yep. Nothing to do with the leaky AF vaccines and the mutations which were entirely predicted...

This programme with these vaccines was never going to work, even with 100% of people vaccinated.

Stop using people as scapegoats and get angry at the companies profiting BILLIONS with vaccines which don't stop infection.

Or don't. Be happy that they reduce deaths for the oldest and most vulnerable in society, that's your prerogative, but it's not unvaccinated people's fault the vaccines don't do much else.

I also think patients should be able to refuse to be treated by someone unvaccinated too. That’s their right.

Why is it their right

With Omicron the vaccines protect the vaccinated person from serious illness and death.

So... you think people should have the right to refuse care from someone who is not making "good" choices with their own health? Do we have a right to refuse smokers treat us? Can I line up the nurses and pick one based on their BMI?

How can anyone be disappointed by this? I feel awful for the care home workers, they deserve compensation for what they have been put through. As for the HCP, great victory for them, and our country really. Mandating vaccines for Covid should never have been a consideration. Those who agreed (the minority) have clearly shown to have authoritarian personalities, which makes me shudder.

Well what the hell did the stupid idiots think would happen?
Thank god people are standing up to this shite.

And comments like this:
I am sorry if medical and care staff don't get vaccinated. I would not want to be treated by an anti vaxer.

Just

Didn’t Javid say that there would be a consultation on reversing it? Rather than just reversing it. Here’s an idea instead of wasting more money use the results from the previous 2 consultations on this issue!

I agree that for certain procedures I wouldn't want to be treated by someone who wasn't vaccinated.

A nurse performing my smear test, for example.

It’s not because I’m scared I’ll catch covid from them. I’ve had my vaccines and I’ve had covid.

And it's not because I don't approve of their health choices.

But I feel that not being vaccinated is breaking their duty of care. And I don’t want to be seen by a nurse who doesn’t give a shit about duty of care. I wouldn’t trust them or their medical advice.

Funnily enough, it was one of the NHS nurses I work with who first explained this view to me (in the context of her telling me why she wouldn't want to be treated by someone unvaccinated by choice).

Great news. Im so glad. It’s quite obvious now that covid vaccines don’t protect anyone except the person who takes it. Bodily autonomy should be paramount. I’ve not seen these figures discussed on here and I know there one column is greyed out for a reason but even with reasonable adjustments how can we say vaccinated people are a lesser risk to anyone than unvaccinated?

@ASpelK

I agree that for certain procedures I wouldn't want to be treated by someone who wasn't vaccinated.

A nurse performing my smear test, for example.

It’s not because I’m scared I’ll catch covid from them. I’ve had my vaccines and I’ve had covid.

And it's not because I don't approve of their health choices.

But I feel that not being vaccinated is breaking their duty of care. And I don’t want to be seen by a nurse who doesn’t give a shit about duty of care. I wouldn’t trust them or their medical advice.

Funnily enough, it was one of the NHS nurses I work with who first explained this view to me (in the context of her telling me why she wouldn't want to be treated by someone unvaccinated by choice).

A nurse performing my smear test ?

not sure I can see an immediate direct link, so just for my benefit please explain.

@ASpelK

I agree that for certain procedures I wouldn't want to be treated by someone who wasn't vaccinated.

A nurse performing my smear test, for example.

It’s not because I’m scared I’ll catch covid from them. I’ve had my vaccines and I’ve had covid.

And it's not because I don't approve of their health choices.

But I feel that not being vaccinated is breaking their duty of care. And I don’t want to be seen by a nurse who doesn’t give a shit about duty of care. I wouldn’t trust them or their medical advice.

Funnily enough, it was one of the NHS nurses I work with who first explained this view to me (in the context of her telling me why she wouldn't want to be treated by someone unvaccinated by choice).

Would you be happy if they said they didn't want to treat you because of a personal choice you have made? You do know you don't have to accept treatment? You'll never be forced into accepting medical treatment, like you want other to be forced?

I'd be interested to know how those who don't want to have treatment from an unvaccinated HCP intend to find out their vaccine status.

It is a bit coming to something when the reason it didnt all happen was because presumably there wouldnt be enough staff.
If 80,000 people hadnt chosen to put their bodies before their jobs, then the uk gov would presumably have ploughed straight ahead.

So thank you to the 80,000 and yes, clapping to you all.

@BuickMcKane I think they actually think we'll have a big shiny badge (or big red x..) or they can rock up and pompous demand they be informed and hcps will bow, scrape and humbley tell them!