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U-turn on mandatory Covid vaccinations for NHS and social care workers

256 replies

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 30/01/2022 23:15

Apparently this will be announced tomorrow. Thank god there's some sense coming back into this world

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/30/front-line-health-staff-no-longer-need-covid-vaccines/

OP posts:
lightand · 31/01/2022 23:01

@Veryvversatile

How can anyone be disappointed by this? I feel awful for the care home workers, they deserve compensation for what they have been put through. As for the HCP, great victory for them, and our country really. Mandating vaccines for Covid should never have been a consideration. Those who agreed (the minority) have clearly shown to have authoritarian personalities, which makes me shudder.
I know some mild mannered ones, who would have been with forcing others. Maybe they are not really so mild after all. hmm.
Tealightsandd · 31/01/2022 23:02

I expect that the medical negligence solicitors will be gearing up for a busy period.

They will presumably be taking enquiries from bereaved families - who lose a loved one after being in the 'care' of an unvaccinated HCP.

Also very mixed messaging being sent out by the (UK) government. One minute launching a campaign urging pregnant women to get vaccinated...but then saying well vaccines aren't so important afterall...

You couldn't make it up really. HCP working in science and medicine...who don't trust science and medicine Confused

TheKeatingFive · 31/01/2022 23:06

They will presumably be taking enquiries from bereaved families - who lose a loved one after being in the 'care' of an unvaccinated HCP.

If they feel so strongly about it they could have explored the option of no HCP. Hmm that sounds preferable.

MichelleScarn · 31/01/2022 23:07

@Tealightsandd They will presumably be taking enquiries from bereaved families - who lose a loved one after being in the 'care' of an unvaccinated HCP How will they prove it came from that hcp? Will you agree to hcps being able to sue any unvaccinated patients they treat?

PenStation · 31/01/2022 23:13

@vdbfamily

I am SO happy. Was going to lose a great team member who was not anti vax, had had Covid twice and felt she was low risk of getting poorly and had followed all the science. It was unbelievable her job was on the line having caught it twice in the line of duty. She had been so stressed about losing her job she had been in years most days. I have just texted her and she will await official announcement before getting too excited but is furious at the trauma so many have been put through. Thank you Boris for being brave enough to u turn on this.
Thank you Boris for being brave enough to U turn on this

WTF is this? Politicians who U turn usually have poor judgement in the first place. Boris should fuck off, we shouldn’t be thanking him!

BuickMcKane · 31/01/2022 23:16

They will presumably be taking enquiries from bereaved families - who lose a loved one after being in the 'care' of an unvaccinated HCP.

Hm. Well people were treat for over a year by unvaccinated HCP pre-vaccines. What exactly is the difference now? If you've had your jab and trust in it, what's the problem?

Tealightsandd · 31/01/2022 23:23

Hm. Well people were treat for over a year by unvaccinated HCP pre-vaccines. What exactly is the difference now?

The difference is the vaccines.

BuickMcKane · 31/01/2022 23:26

@Tealightsandd

Hm. Well people were treat for over a year by unvaccinated HCP pre-vaccines. What exactly is the difference now?

The difference is the vaccines.

And if you're vaccinated, it's to protect YOU. So what's the problem? Don't you trust the vaccine to do its job?
MichelleScarn · 31/01/2022 23:27

Ah right tea you were happy for us to take the risk to treat you when the whole world was hiding, now you want to dictate our lives and work.

Why do you have such inflated self importance?

Tealightsandd · 31/01/2022 23:39

I have no idea what you're talking about Michelle

MichelleScarn · 31/01/2022 23:40

@Tealightsandd

I have no idea what you're talking about Michelle
Your post?... Tealightsandd

*Hm. Well people were treat for over a year by unvaccinated HCP pre-vaccines. What exactly is the difference now?

The difference is the vaccines.*

Tealightsandd · 31/01/2022 23:44

And if you're vaccinated, it's to protect YOU.

Nope. It's both. Particularly important around vulnerable patients - some of whom, eg. those with blood cancer and other immunocompromised conditions, are less protected than other people by the vaccine.

Seriously the mind boggles. Why on earth would somebody who doesn't believe in or trust medicine and science want to work in... medicine and science?

user1477391263 · 31/01/2022 23:49

People who refuse the vaccine, esp if they work in healthcare, are irresponsible and ridiculous. That said, I'm LOLing at the idea of people being sued--if it were possible to do such a thing, it would have been happening already with seasonal influenza. And how could anyone prove where a case of covid or flu had come from?

user1477391263 · 31/01/2022 23:50

I don't think Boris is being brave. This is about pragmatism, not principle. They cannot afford to lose such large numbers of people from HC. And the vaccine isn't all that good at reducing the likelihood of transmission---it seems to primarily protect the individual.

Tealightsandd · 31/01/2022 23:50

Michelle

Yes. Just like before painkillers, people had no option but to suffer terribly during operations - and had more relief once science and medicine progressed.

Likewise antibiotics. Before they came along, many more people died or became disabled.

And the same with vaccines. Which of course protect the HCP as well as the patient (hence why the majority of HCP have welcomed the science and medicine of vaccines).

Tealightsandd · 31/01/2022 23:55

However if you're referring to the lack of PPE for all HCP particularly earlier on in the pandemic. I agree with you that was a disgrace. I've mentioned this before on MN.

Absolutely it's as the WHO say. Vaccine Plus. So good masks for the public (and appropriate PPE for all health and social care workers), and good ventilation including HEPA filters.

milkyaqua · 01/02/2022 01:10

It truly is the Kali Yuga. Their poor patients.

Tealightsandd · 01/02/2022 01:44

I wish you were wrong @milkyaqua but sadly suspect you might be right Sad

SantaClawsServiette · 01/02/2022 01:50

@Sloughsabigplace

“The government is committed to updating the Human Rights Act 1998. This consultation seeks views on the government’s proposals to revise the Human Rights Act and replace it with a Bill of Rights, in order to restore a proper balance between the rights of individuals, personal responsibility and the wider public interest.”

That’s the wording.

Christ on a bike, that's scary!

But not out of line with the way a lot of governments are going now, much more a "needs of the many outweigh the rights of the few."

Tealightsandd · 01/02/2022 01:55

Well certainly the human rights of the disabled have been quite severely neglected for several decades. Ever since Blair's war on the disabled, in fact. Those who came after simply followed in his footsteps - the heirs to Blair.

Tealightsandd · 01/02/2022 02:01

But not out of line with the way a lot of governments are going now, much more a "needs of the many outweigh the rights of the few."

You must have got the words the wrong way round.

The needs - or rather, wants - of the few are coming before the needs of the many. And I'm definitely not just talking about SARS-COV-2.

SantaClawsServiette · 01/02/2022 02:02

The not wanting to be treated by the unvaccinated is a bit ???

I'd prefer not to be treated by nurses who are drunks or cokeheads or having risky sex - I know at least one who is a cokehead - but the fact is that as long as a nurse doesn't get busted for it there isn't much I can do to find out the details of their private lives. Nor would it be appropriate for me to be able to ask about their personal habits.

In my shitty authoritarian country I'd have had to given up my library job if I'd not been vaxed, and I know guys who work alone in the woods who ended up having to be vaxxed to keep their jobs - all forced through their employment so as to keep the governments hands clean.

Tealightsandd · 01/02/2022 02:03

Then there's one of the most basic human rights (after life). Shelter. Not something available to an increasing number of people affected by the public health housing and homelessness emergency.

Tealightsandd · 01/02/2022 02:13

I know at least one who is a cokehead

By the sounds of things a lot more than one cocaine user in the Houses of Parliament. Traces found in every bathroom there, if I recall correctly?

Years ago a friend who was training to be a doctor said loads of their fellow trainees were using coke. Not for pleasure in many cases. Simply to stay more awake and alert when working the very long hours they had to do. It made me think. What's better (as a patient)? A HCP on coke, or one half asleep? (This was years ago and things might've changed since then).

Thievesoil · 01/02/2022 06:24

Well the ECHR hasn’t done much of Europe any good with its draconian mandates.

Like all these things, pretty worthless when push comes to shove.

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